This game is insane for new players.

I am glad that more and more people started to talk about this perk grind problem.

Maybe devs realize this problem and start to work on this perk grind to lessen it.

I was kind of expecting that for this mid chapter but they came up with hooks and their placements. I hope for the next chapter or the next mid chapter now.

@JohnTed said:
They don't have useful perks at beginning., only one maybe. But they need to face many full perks', and rank hacked killers. How can they enjoy the game?

You are right.

1. Not having access to 4 perk slots in the beginning.
2. Having to nearly FULLY level 4 characters to even get your first build going.
3. Having to get through 3 tiers of a perk before you get the final perk

is ridiculous and doesn't benefit anyone.

Because all 3 teach-ables are thought at the higher levels, you basically don't have any real build you want, up until you finally levels up 4 characters, and then suddenly you have a lot of builds and gain them more quickly for newer ones. This is anti-beginner.

You wanting to unlock your characters as quick as possible also prevents you from actually picking the add-ons and such that you want, since you only pick the cheapest, making it so that you don't really use the blood-web the way it's intended to FOR THE BIGGEST TIME of you playing this game.

And there is no purpose to Perk tiers. It just causes more writing on the gamepedia explaining the numbers. Not only that but some are so much weaker than their earlier version that the perk just isn't very usable at lower tiers. Whereas Urban only increases about +6% per tier, Premonition increases about a 100% per tier.
Why these ridiculous disparities?

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There are a bunch of those highly questionable decisions like that in this game.

Similar decision making in games like League of Legends like you having to unlock masteries based on reaching level 30 and having to unlock ruines have both been eliminated and replaced from a system that unlocks everything from the beginning as it should.

And so should we.

like I say in another thread

@NekoGamerX said:
after Prestiged you should get to pick 4 of the perks you had to keep also any you had at the high lvl should still be high when you find them again in the bloodwab.

@twistedmonkey said:
It's better to learn the mechanics of the game and get better without perks, you will be a better player in the long run, If you start with the best perks you start to rely on them and will always think you need them.

The thing to always keep in mind is it's a game, never worry about winning whatever means to you and just have fun learning, rank means nothing just play for bloodpoints to lvl up and eventually will get the build you want over time, 50 hours is nothing in terms of learning this game, it is a lot more fun when you dont worry about what you need to do.

I have played perkless survivor and killer and both of them were so boring.

This game becomes interesting when you have all of the perks and try different things. It gives you unique experience every time you play with another different build.

The perk grind should definitely be lessened.

Lol that you say they face "ranks hacked killers"...

I remember when i first played in beta against "rank hacked" survivors....lol quit the game for a good six months.

A new player wanting to play ki!ler? Lol good luck.

@Tsulan said:

@JohnTed said:
Actually, I gave up this games 4 times. Every time I played again I felt very disappointed. All of those problems were not solved. Killer perks are overpower. Suck in connection.

Wait... you think that killers are OP?
Have you tried maining killer then?

You'de not new here Tsulan. Why are you still surprised when people think killer is easy?

@JohnTed said:
They don't have useful perks at beginning., only one maybe. But they need to face many full perks', and rank hacked killers. How can they enjoy the game?

Please back in the day you didn't even have access to your 3 character perks and you had to get to level 25 to unlock 4 slots. Things have gotten a little easier for new comers in terms of learning the game.

Now I will say that new players have it rough since by this point a lot more people know the game and are getting matched against you. Just keep playing and remember the #1 thing that will boost your ability to survive/ get kills is learning the map layouts.

Bbbrian2013 said:

@Tsulan said:

@JohnTed said:
Actually, I gave up this games 4 times. Every time I played again I felt very disappointed. All of those problems were not solved. Killer perks are overpower. Suck in connection.

Wait... you think that killers are OP?
Have you tried maining killer then?

You'de not new here Tsulan. Why are you still surprised when people think killer is easy?

Bbbrian2013 said:

@Tsulan said:

@JohnTed said:
Actually, I gave up this games 4 times. Every time I played again I felt very disappointed. All of those problems were not solved. Killer perks are overpower. Suck in connection.

Wait... you think that killers are OP?
Have you tried maining killer then?

You'de not new here Tsulan. Why are you still surprised when people think killer is easy?

That's why I asked him if he tried killer. 

@SadonicShadow said:
The perk grind in this game has become a real problem that sorely needs to be addressed. The devs still continue to release new killers and survivors every 3 months and they have not stated when they plan to stop so its only going to get worse and worse. The ideal solution would be to remove perk tiers. Perk tiers are redundant and needlessly triples the grind.

Not only triples the grind. It influences perk design as well. I mean every perk needs to be scalable on some level. They can't design a perk which only does one thing only.

On the other hand getting rid of the Tiers would need another Bloodweb overhaul. Survivors have 14, Killers 12 general perks. So if you start leveling your first character you only have 17/15 Perks available right from the start. The rest needs to be unlocked first.
I personally think a newcomer should be able to gain 17 perks plus unlocking 3 teachables with their first leveling to 50. It might require to introduce two additional general killer perks, to make the leveling survivor and killer experience more the same. But you are right, that we could lessen the grind that way, if it's done right.

In my opinion the devs need to take care of the perkgrind before everything else.
Yes there are some mechanic that could be fixed, DS, hatch, more objectives for survivors, snowbally games ect. But the perk grind builds an artificial wall for new players and with each chapter the gap between the veteran players and beginners widens.
I know they are aware of it and one idea they had was get rid of the perks ranks. No more rank 1 or 2 only the final perk at level 3.
But what I have heard they not just want to hotfix the perks, they are about to overhaul the entire bloodweb. But this takes it's time.
I really hope they will put this at their top priority, so more players can face each other on similar ground and not be at a perk disadvantage.

I think as a new player, you simply need thick skin, especially as new killer and dealing with SWF. Like me, you will lose so many games at the start (sacrificed as survivor or no kills as killer).
You need to have the mindset of treating all early games as practice and seeing people play, learning etc. 
Painful early on but you will get there

@JohnTed said:
Killer perks are overpower.

No. You are new and just unskilled atm.
Take the time you have levelling characters to learn core mechanics and counter plays. There is 100s of guides and videos out there to help. Instead of complaining, do what the rest of us have done....use the time to learn.
To the people saying this game should be less grindy, agreed it is a pain, but it is how games like this keep longevity.