What do you think about the adept killer requirements?

I used to not like them, but tbh there's very few achievements in the game that take any degree of skill, and adept at least shows you managed a great performance.

They're definitely hard, especially killers with no stalling, but I'd prefer that over the participation ribbon that is survivor adept.

These days especially it's a much smaller issue because every month you get reset to ash where the requirements are significantly dropped.

For reference, they used to be any kind of 4k when that's what merciless equated to. When emblems were introduced, merciless changed and so did the requirements for the achievements. They aren't able to change the achievements on console because they are still possible. The only change they could easily make would be to change the score event "no one survived" to "merciless killer" and then rename the double pip title, that would make "merciless killer" a 4k instead and allow them to change the trigger for achievements as they would no longer be accurate on console otherwise.

One pip should get you an adept since that usually means that you've done something in each category.

A 4k should be enough. It's ridiculous that you have to double pip while a survivor just has to escape.

I can shed some light on why it hasn't gone through- getting achievement conditions changed without the achievement in question being literally impossible is, apparently, really hard in a manner that requires going through third party channels, so it makes sense they try not to do it if they can possibly avoid it.

It's why that one achievement for repairing the last generator and escaping as the final survivor is still the way it is despite being dramatically harder now than when it was introduced- you can still do it, literally speaking, so getting it changed would be a gigantic hassle.

That's my understanding, anyway, I may be wrong about that but I remember hearing it a little while ago.

Make the killers get adept through a 4k. Or make the survivors have to get double pips to get their adepts also. At least be coherent.

It's not that they're impossible, with enough persistence you can get them done (I've completed every single adept for all killers and survivors) and since you can choose whatever add-ons you want plus which map you want to go to that certainly helps.

But some perks don't have synergy (or even worse have anti-synergy) with the killer they come with, or just flat-out aren't good on their own as individual perks- they're made to be the foil for other perks and act in tandem. IE Monitor & Abuse has anti-synergy with doctor, Furtive Chase doesn't synergize with Ghostface, and so on and so forth. For Freddy's adept you're basically running 0 perks because none of them are active at the very beginning, two of them work at the very, very, end and only one of them is actually "used" throughout the match but the action speed bonus becomes less useful the later the match because there are less resources to use the action speed bonus on. So it's just not a fun adept to do, you've really got to know what you can do as Freddy in order to double pip with zero perks.

That's not something we can control though, teachables will be teachables, and can't really fault or change that.

My real issue comes from the discrepancy between Survivor and Killer adepts, simply put: survivor adepts are just way easier to do. I don't think I'm breaking any new ground with this comment, but it really just doesn't make sense to me to have a more difficult achievement on the more difficult role. It's like they're really trying to tell players that survivor is supposed to be easier or something, which is slightly different from whether it is or isn't- that conveys intentionality. I know that's probably not the case where they say that outright but just off the achievements alone it's so heavily implied you can't exactly ignore it.

It is the worst feeling when you're doing an adept like Freddy's and you're one tick off from getting a double pip and you need to go through all that mess again. As far as achievements go the adepts for killers can be particularly unforgiving in this regard, you either got it or you didn't and there's no leeway between, whereas there seems to be plenty of leeway for the survivor adepts.

The adept achievements also suffer from blurry and ill-defined win conditions as well, almost 6 years later and we still talk about "what counts as a win?" today. In this regard the adept achievements indicate a double standard, the "win-condition" for a survivor is simply to escape, while the win condition for killers is to get a double pip.

To put it into words: it is the double standard which is frustrating. If adepts are not meant to be easy to achieve across the board, that's fine, but you need to actually follow through with that ideology. That means either making the survivor adept more difficult, or if that idea isn't the case at all, then it's time to make the killer adept more in-line with how difficult the survivor adept is.

An indirect way they could make adepts easier is if they reworked or buffed all of these garbage perks.

Imagine if Remember Me, and Fire Up were actually top-notch perks that were worth bringing even without the Adept challenge. It would make it all so much easier.

David King is by far the hardest survivor to get an adept on with No Mither - not saying much, but it's just the most blatant example of a core perk being worse than a burden to play with, and having extreme anti-synergy with other perks.