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High MMR Killer Tier List
This tier list is made assuming that the majority of Survivors running Dead Hard and Iron Will. And at least one Survivor has a Boon: Circle of Healing active at all times. Also basic addons nothing above yellow
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Seems decent
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In what universe is Spirit B tier???
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The Shadow Step, Circle of Healing, Iron Will with the Stridor nerfs cinematic universe
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So you just assume that every survivor runs Iron Will? And even if they do they’re not unbeatable in the slightest. She’s 176% movement speed with good add ons and is still invisible. She may have reasonable counterplay, but putting her below all those other killers that don’t have the mobility and map pressure Spirit does just doesn’t make sense to me.
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Should probably swap Oni and Twins, and Spirit and Pyramid Head.
Oni's power is 100% in the control of the survivors. At high enough MMR, they have to screw up royally for you to even get going. Twins, however, has the biggest snowball potential in the game. That being, said, there are a ton of Free, Instant Heal perks, so... actually, you're probably right. Unless CoH dies, Twins ARE C-D tier (outside of Competitive DbD, where heal perks are banned vs Twins).
Spirit got hella nerfed, but super pro players can still get A-tier performances out of her. She's not S anymore, but she can still put up a good game. PH, on the other hand, is just a worse, closer-range Huntress. His whole deal is hard-countered by survivors paying even the slightest attention to the insane number of warning tells his power gives out. His torment is 100% avoidable, and even if somebody does get tormented, an organized survivor group can just completely shut down your 'tunnel them out' by having the All Second Chance guy be the designated Runner. And that's to say nothing of the fact that he gets nearly zero benefit from his entire Add On selection.
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In no way shape or form is Spirit anything lower than A tier.
Even with Iron Will and Shadow Step (which most people do not run Shadow Step) the power in a chase is all on her.
Huntress is good, but not the third best. She is way too map dependent.
Bubba in A tier? I guess now the grass is blue.
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Assuming you are going from left to right within a tier:
- Tier SS: Yep. No arguments here.
- Tier S: I'd put Artist up here, probably slap-bang on top of Plague (there's an image for you), heading up your 'S tier just behind Huntress. Artist is stronk. Bubba...maybe, but that's assuming he facecamps and people don't respond correctly. I'd shift him to bottom A actually, even so. Against groups that know what they are doing, he gets a 1k, maybe 2k while camping and that's it.
- Tier A: I'd move Trickster down to 'C'. He can get reliable downs, but it takes him ages if the survivor is smart and some maps hose him. I'd move Cenobite down to high 'B', simply because how difficult he can be to play on certain maps or against survivors that don't underestimate him. Nemmy...tricky. Maybe down a tier.
- Tier B: I'd move Demo up to 'A'. He's flexible, remarkably consistent, has amazing addons and almost no weak maps. Myers...is tricky. With certain addons, he's SS. Without, he's bad. I'd move Spirit up to 'A'. She's very consistent, has some bonkers addons and doesn't have many bad maps.
- Tier C: I'd move Freddy to the back of the group. Legion goes down to 'D'. Ghostface goes up to the butt of 'B', now that stretched res is gone. He's definitely better than Wraith.
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I just feel that Spirit's Power is average because it has a pretty long forced cooldown and she's basically useless while its on cooldown at 110. What made her strong was having a much easier time getting the second hit once the Survivor was injured. Now she doesn't have that, so the risk to reward ratio is off. I just feel her margin for error is really thin nowadays. Iron Will is one of the most common perks at high level for a reason
Messing up a power usage on Spirit is much more punishing than any of the higher rated Killers and its probably the easiest its ever been to make mistakes on her because Survivors have more information than ever and you have less
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It’s the same cooldown it was pre-nerf, nothing changed there.
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Honestly, I respect that. I knew the Artist was good but I haven't seen a lot of people master her yet. I gave Trickster A tier because of the fact he's less bothered by Circle of Healing than most Killers and has a camping prowess that rivals Bubba. But yeah when Trickster is bad he's BAD. Demo is tough because he is less and less picked so its hard to get a good gauge of him as the game progresses past his retirement.
Freddy, Legion and Ghost Face are all pretty weak they're in C-Tier for not having a strong chase power and being more weakened by Circle of Healing than average. All of them used to thrive with hit and run tactics
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Pre-nerf misreading while phasing was much less common especially with old Stridor and no directional sounds on the Survivor side. Much less risk involved, so the cooldown came into play less.
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That’s why short bursts are effective. They are just as effective now as they were before the nerf.
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There is always some kind of mistake and punishment for messing up your power.
Blight has to wait for his rushes to come back.
Bubba has charges.
Artist has a cooldown.
Huntress has to refill her hatchets at lockers as well as Trickster refilling blades.
Nurse has charges and a fatigue.
Oni and Plague sometimes might not even get any value out of their power due to stealth.
Yes Spirit has a 15 second cooldown but most decent Spirit players don’t use their entire power gauge. Most do short phasing bursts. Plus even if she is a 110% at loops, her passive phasing can throw survivors off.
And survivors DO have more information on her like directional phasing but she is moving way too fast for them to react picture perfect all of the time.
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Camping Trickster is still the same as camping Bubba. He'll get 1k, maybe 2 and that's it. If it's high MMR play, people will just slam out gens and get out.
CoH is obnoxious, but I find that it's only truly painful on attrition based killers.
Artist - Otz managed a 30 streak on her, and under SBMM - that's quite an achievement. And he doesn't fully abuse DMS or run BBQ/MS on her (which turn her into a force of nature).
Legion I'd say 'D' tier. He was bad before and sucks worse now, CoH destroys him.
Ghostface has some issues, but his ability to instadown and a very strong camp makes him pretty decent into CoH. He used to struggle at higher MMRs as so many people ran stretched res, but they don't now. I play a decent GF and CoH doesn't scare me. Corn scares me.
Freddy I'd almost want to send to 'D' tier, simply because he's so one dimensional and predictable.
I agree - but Plague right now plays best with a lot of info perks. Retribution+Plaything+Pentimento is gorgeous on her.
Passive phasing...nah, not really.
I'd put Spirit as a solid 'A' tier killer, probably in the middle of the pack. She isn't as oppressive as Artist can be and doesn't have Plague's snowball, but she's still a great killer.
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Alright I see your point. Most Spirits I see make me think she's B Tier but I feel like in your hands she could be A tier. She definitely still has a lot of potential and high skill ceiling.
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Twins, Spirit, and Hag should be higher. CoH is annoying, but it's almost a non-factor for Hag and Twins if you run Forced Penance.
And Spirit is the 3rd best killer in the game still. Third in SS tier or first in S. Like CoH, Iron Will is annoying. I don't even think it should be a perk. But it doesn't break Spirit if you adapt for it.
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I've never thought to run forced penance on Twins I might need to experiment. I feel like the real disadvantage with Twins at this point as that Victor is the Killer's map mobility and he can't snuff boons. They would be a lot better against COH and Exponential if Victor could cruise around the map boon hunting.
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Idk about her skill ceiling being super high but I think it’s high enough. Skill floor is no doubt a candidate for top 5 in the game though especially after the nerf, which I guess is why she can look like a lower tier for most.
Granted, I know how to play her and I feel she’s still top tier based off my experience but I don’t claim to be an absolute god with her. I’m sure many others can play her better than me (now no one will ever love her as much as I do but that’s beside the point).
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She's a weird killer in that you never really feel powerful. Spirit for me tends to feel like a bloody battle of attrition - until I realize that there's one survivor left with 3 gens remaining.
Her ability to turn a hit into a down is amazing, and she can cover a lot of distance really fast.
Not sure about Twins.
Twins can get hard countered by DH and they're just so damn clunky.
They feel like a good counter-SWF killer because they feed on altruism. A team that is comfortable letting one person stay slugged for a bit and uses DH well makes Twins feel awful.
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I’m so glad Plague is getting recognition of being a great killer. I’ve always loved playing as her and she’s been a main killer of mine since her release.
But ahead of Spirit? Eh, I just can’t see that. Those are my two main killers and I’ve never thought to myself that Plague was better. In a lot of scenarios, Plague can’t do much at pallet loops with teams who stay injured and all have Dead Hard. Sure you have at least one pool but you have to make a good use out of it and hope it isn’t all the way in Antarctica.
Spirit is still borderline uncounterable without Iron Will and even if you do have Iron Will she can still hear grass rustling and short phasing bursts are key to playing against Iron Will. You can definitely confuse her and throw her off but I really don’t see any difference in facing a Spirit now compared to pre-nerf other than it feeling more fair when I get downed and knowing that she is coming in my direction rather than her just popping up. And this is coming from someone who never takes off Iron Will.
Artist is good. Really good. Top tier good. But her counterplay is predictable and boring. Survivors do the only thing they can do and that is leave every loop. Leading to a hold W meta and stale gameplay. She is great at shutting down loops and is the single best killer to do that other than Nurse. But most of the time she isn’t able to do that because competent survivors are not staying at loops with her.
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I genuinely think the new killer is underrated. I wouldn't put her lower than B tier.
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Why, out of interest?
I've played just over 100 games with her, and am pretty confident in saying that nearly everything she can do, other killers can do better and more consistently.
Now that people know what to expect, she has the Wraith issue of being able to find chases fast, but taking a very long time to close them out.
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In the no add-on meta. It's more predictable now more than ever before. Sprint burst and Self-aware is the bane of a good spirit main.
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Bubba is not S tier, he is like B tier.
Nemesis, Trickster and Cenobite are not A tier, more like B tier.
Spirit is not B tier, she is S tier.
Twins are not C tier, they are A tier.
Other than these strange picks (imo), the rest is decent I quess.
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Sprint Burst...yeah, I could see that. But generally you don't approach phased - you close, try to get a hit then phase.
Almost nobody runs Self Aware. IW is more likely (and more annoying).
Keep in mind that he's split things differently, resulting in an SS and an S tier.
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Sprint Burst is good against every killer and who uses Sefl-Aware?
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Not really, as a plague main its more of maintaining momentum and micro-management in which case a good plague knows when to drop a chase and when to be extremely aggressive, It's all boils down to map awareness and capitalizing survivor's mistakes, if you can down 2 people with just one pool inside a deadzone you practically won the game.
Spirit on the otherhand is just much easier to control but harder to play as in high mmr, aside from your predictable sound cue, good survivors tend to not let themselves get hit in the first place, they'll drag it on for a long time and it basically a game of pin the tail on the dunky until one of you messes up and a healthy survivor with a pallet is practically untouchable until he drops the pallet. also sprint burst and self-aware is a thing too.
Artist is just meh, unpredictable survivors are hard to catch as they'll do everything to avoid getting hit by the birds which are also easy to predict. get in the locker or just press w.
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people who knows sprint burst is overpowered and knows how to exploit the insta-vault self aware tech
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it's the same they'll bait the hit then run away far from your line of sight then disappear into the fog.
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Myers - B tier? He has the worst early game of any killer and is essentially just an m1 killer with no power, except an occasional insta-down and faster vaults (which don't help with pallets).
Spirit - I mean... she got nerfed but it's nowhere near THAT bad. Especially when she's been given Cherry Blossom which is a flat out broken add-on, especially combined with MDR.
Bubba is above Artist. I don't think I agree with that. Bubba can be dealt with by feeding pallets and abusing windows. With Artist, you're pretty much dead if she knows what she's doing.
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I disagree with there being an SS, SA, S+ or whatever you want to call it tier. No killer is that good. Even Blight, without his exploits, probably isn't S tier, because he can't go through loops and obstacles, he has to deal with them. That leaves Nurse as the only S imo.
Beyond your tier list needing to shave a tier off the top and add one on to the bottom, Huntress, Plague, Oni, Nemesis, Trickster, Pinhead, Deathslinger, Freddy, Legion, and Ghost Face all need to move down a tier. No way Pig and Clown are worse than Ghost Face and Freddy. They're literally direct power creep on those killers.
Other than that, I agree.
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Why is this mainly directed towards Spirit?
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I find her passive phasing in particular really good on indoor maps like Lerys and RPD. I've been downed plenty of times on outdoor maps because her passive phasing happened at a bad time.
In a swf I find it difficult to tell exactly when she left you. If she doesn't make it obvious by turning away and teleporting it can be difficult to tell exactly when she left you.
I'm not saying she won't get destroyed by good survivors. But when you compare her to the other C tier killers, I think she's far better than them.
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This tier list is an epic bruh moment .
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I don't agree with the tier list, but the most mind boggling placement is Nemesis in A tier... Above Demogorgon, who does everything Nemesis does but better
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Twins should be A
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Oni and Huntress S 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 This got to be troll
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Big thing with Twins/Victor is to be mindful of how far out you're sending Victor. The returns diminish the further out you send him, especially if boons are in play. Only send him across the map if you're certain every survivor is there
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Yeah I mostly agree with this list as far as going against strong survivors.
- Stealth is stronger than normal against average players but weaker than normal against survivors with strong awareness. So it’s not surprising Wraith, Sadako and Ghost Face are all in the same tier here. (Pig might belong on the same tier too in my opinion, I think she’s just slightly underrated.)
- Is Plague S tier? She does help against CoH which is common, but she also has no special mobility and strong survivors tend to be better at knowing when to use the fountains or not use the fountains. I have a hard time seeing her being that high in the list.
- Deathslinger and Huntress probably belong on the same tier. I think Deathslinger is slightly weaker than Huntress but not by much, they’re really so similar. Likewise strong Tricksters probably aren’t much worse than either of those two.
- Twins are probably better than C tier, if only because Victor’s extremely high map mobility helps him exert pressure is a wide area. I put them in the same tier as Demo, his attack is similar to Demos in some ways and his mobility and radar gives him similar pressure to Demo’s portals.
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Glad to see one of these tier lists that don't put my husband at the very bottom tier for once 🥺
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What you said about Plague is a very general consensus for most killers. You should always know when to drop chase and when to be aggressive and have map awareness (like managing a three gen and not leaving to go chase in an area with no gens). That is with all killers, not just Plague.
Spirit has a sound cue but it’s not super predictable. It’s directional but she’s moving so fast that at certain pallet loops you’re just dead. Can’t outplay a killer that is moving nearly double your speed that you can’t see. Plus she can use that to her advantage and put her phasing sound on one side of the pallet and do a quick double back and you have no reaction time for that. And why Sprint Burst and Fixated? Dead Hard is way stronger and you don’t know Fixated to help with scratches because most good survivors know when to stop running and where their scratch marks are going.
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totally
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yeah but her kit makes her better in tile management than others, it's practically what makes or breaks every plague game.
a good pair of headphones can fix that, and just like with nurse you loop (Spirit) differently with a pallet, and you can trick a good spirit in a corner using self aware and 99'd sprint burst, unlike dead hard on which you can only use it when injured and it's mostly 50-50 if you're on a good tile or the Spirit catches you off guard before you can use it.
Deadhard isn't the answer for everything unlike sprint burst.
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I don't think HillBilly is B tier. I'd still put him in A.
Switch him with Trickster.
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Twins: they do usually very good in comp dbd but those matches have different rules (no boons etc), i guess with the right survivor loadout they're not that great but imo they're undervalued in the dbd community. Should be b-tier at least.
Spirit: she is my main and i agree that against survivors with IW and a good, creative or stealthy team she struggles, but she is still A tier at least
Myers: well he has good add ons but he is still a normal M1 killer and a good team will loop him long and counter is insta-mori. Needs to go down one tier
Artist one tier up
Trickster 1-2 tiers down
Doctor, Bubba, Huntress one tier down
Spirit & Iron Will: depends on the tile, in open field you will clearly notice when they're starting to walk and juke you, but in a tile with many options like windows, pallets and corners, Iron Will is an absolute hard counter against Spirit
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