Prove thy self buff=30 second gens

a jenerator shouldn't be complete under 50-60 seconds no matter perks, toolboxes or how many survivor working on it. This game is really poorly balanced for either side.

@sorrowen said:
I guess the devs really are brain dead if they thought this but they made Legion as well so yeah...also their data do they get from events or out of a magic hat? actually they go faster with just average tool boxes as well with this buff not to mention Commodious Toolbox or any of the better toolboxes

In a realistic scenario, there will usually be one person one in a chase, and three on generators. Usually, the three other survivors will be split either 2 and 1 or all three separate. Prove thyself makes a difference of 0.2 extra charges on a two man generator. You wanna know what difference that makes compared to the default speed? 4.4 seconds.

@sorrowen said:
Its basically Bhvr doubling down on the already fast gen meta but Bhvr loves taking their time fixing issues like Freddy's buffs or they shadow nerf which they have been doing.

You complain about this minor perk buff, but not toolboxes? You are quite the enigma.

@SenzuDuck said:

@Maximus7 said:
If this is possible with two [BAD WORD] people, there's a goddamn problem: https://clips.twitch.tv/TriumphantEasyMilkJKanStyle

Are you the guy telling the developers to kill themselves? You seem lovely!

These are the type of people who get ignored and hopefully will be driven away from the game and realistically it's an issue with the tool boxes. It's similar to an issue they'd discovered already and they fixed 1 set of numbers but this slipped through.

What probably happened was it got changed on their side properly but for some reason the change didn't activate client side like it was supposed to. We'll probably get a hotfix shortly or the perk will get temp disabled.

Chiming in to say that the devs really need to play their own game AS OTHERS DO, not in some kiddie sandbox where real world game mechanics mean jack #########. This buff was already unnecessary, but they made it even worse by going OVER THE TOP.

Watched McLean on twitch today suggest that the mechanic wasn't giving any bonus beyond what could already be achieved previously due to some "penalty" in the code. Yeah, I like McLean, but he has absolutely zero visibility into his own work, it seems, as do the rest of the developers.

GenRush 100

@MojoTheFabulous said:
I'm assuming this is 3 people on a Gen right? Because i'm pretty sure that was usually around 33 seconds anyway. So this isn't really a big deal.

Which is something these people seem to forget that 3 people hitting great skill checks will kill a gen fast which is why Discordance is so nice for the smart killers that use it.

@Maximus7 said:

This may surprise you with some of the comments I've seen from you here, but sometimes, a developer pushes out a bad fix. And BHVR kind of has a reputation or bad patches. Nowhere in Prove Thyself's description does it say it doesn't stack with toolboxes or other bonuses, and it even says the bonus for it is applied to every other survivor on the generator with you.

Oh I'm aware of that but if you watch the last devstream where they explicitly talk about that bug during the PTB that is was being multiplied incorrectly. The bug wasn't supposed to go live and on their end they'd patched it and it didn't work.

So I'm not sure what happened and whether or not they missed it or another change popped that bug back in or they forgot to change it again.

I'll have to find the exact time stamp they talked about it and it's on the forums somewhere I even posted about it 2 weeks or so ago with the timestamp.

@Aven_Fallen said:
Use Discordance.

Seriously, whenever a Survivor complains about NOED, people are telling him to cleanse the Totems (which is correct) and to run Small Game.

And now Discordance, which would be the Counter to Prove Thyself, is ignored?

Survivors are able to REMOVE NOED, by cleansing the totem.
Discordance is a band aid at best because it only removes one Survivor out of four from a gen rush. Plus all Survivors can just split up, making the perk worthless.

@Killigma said:

@Aven_Fallen said:
Use Discordance.

Seriously, whenever a Survivor complains about NOED, people are telling him to cleanse the Totems (which is correct) and to run Small Game.

And now Discordance, which would be the Counter to Prove Thyself, is ignored?

Survivors are able to REMOVE NOED, by cleansing the totem.
Discordance is a band aid at best because it only removes one Survivor out of four from a gen rush. Plus all Survivors can just split up, making the perk worthless.

And if all Survivors Split up, that would make Prove Thyself worthless...

People will probably not run it for a longer period.

@Killigma said:

@Aven_Fallen said:

@Killigma said:

@Aven_Fallen said:
Use Discordance.

Seriously, whenever a Survivor complains about NOED, people are telling him to cleanse the Totems (which is correct) and to run Small Game.

And now Discordance, which would be the Counter to Prove Thyself, is ignored?

Survivors are able to REMOVE NOED, by cleansing the totem.
Discordance is a band aid at best because it only removes one Survivor out of four from a gen rush. Plus all Survivors can just split up, making the perk worthless.

And if all Survivors Split up, that would make Prove Thyself worthless...

People will probably not run it for a longer period.

It does not make it worthless because if one Survivor is looping the Killer, the other three can go back to gens. I agree that people might not use it enough to be meta, I am just annoyed that instead of fixing how quick games go by, they throw another band aid at this issue.

Yeah, but when you use Discordance, you would know that they are working on one Gen. And when they only do the Gens far away from you, they will split the map. Not saying that Discordance is an awesome Perk, but it is not that bad.

Regarding the Time:
If I understand it correctly, the time is the same as before, they just corrected the time you need to spend on a Gen without using Prove Thyself.

Besides that, the only issue I have with the new Prove Thyself is, that it can be very good for organized SWF, but not as effective for Solo players. If I would use Prove Thyself and I am working on a Gen with another Survivor running it, one of us has a useless Perk at this point. Or, I can simply work alone on a Gen and Prove Thyself does nothing. Or, I need to run Bond, to make it effective. All of those things an organized SWF does not have.
But I think with those, there are other areas where actions should be taken.

@PiiFree said:

@Aven_Fallen said:
Besides that, the only issue I have with the new Prove Thyself is, that it can be very good for organized SWF, but not as effective for Solo players. If I would use Prove Thyself and I am working on a Gen with another Survivor running it, one of us has a useless Perk at this point. Or, I can simply work alone on a Gen and Prove Thyself does nothing. Or, I need to run Bond, to make it effective. All of those things an organized SWF does not have.
But I think with those, there are other areas where actions should be taken.

You should read the description for Prove Thyself again because it seems like you don't really understand how it works. If you have Prove Thyself and work with someone else, you get 10% bonus speed. If the other person also has Prove Thyself, they also get 10% bonus speed. If a 3rd Survivor with prove thyself works on that gen, everyone gets a 20% repair speed boost.

That's the MAIN issue. It's a perk that promotes gen rush and it's a perk that can be used at it's full potential mainly by coordinated SWFs - something that's already imbalanced and hard to deal with while it's pretty much useless for solos.

Well done!

Am I stupid or are you stupid?
"Survivors can only be affected by one Prove Thyself effect at a time."

@Aven_Fallen said:

@PiiFree said:

@Aven_Fallen said:
Besides that, the only issue I have with the new Prove Thyself is, that it can be very good for organized SWF, but not as effective for Solo players. If I would use Prove Thyself and I am working on a Gen with another Survivor running it, one of us has a useless Perk at this point. Or, I can simply work alone on a Gen and Prove Thyself does nothing. Or, I need to run Bond, to make it effective. All of those things an organized SWF does not have.
But I think with those, there are other areas where actions should be taken.

You should read the description for Prove Thyself again because it seems like you don't really understand how it works. If you have Prove Thyself and work with someone else, you get 10% bonus speed. If the other person also has Prove Thyself, they also get 10% bonus speed. If a 3rd Survivor with prove thyself works on that gen, everyone gets a 20% repair speed boost.

That's the MAIN issue. It's a perk that promotes gen rush and it's a perk that can be used at it's full potential mainly by coordinated SWFs - something that's already imbalanced and hard to deal with while it's pretty much useless for solos.

Well done!

Am I stupid or are you stupid?
"Survivors can only be affected by one Prove Thyself effect at a time."

Good question. Does it mean that only ONE survivor at a time can be affected or does it mean only ONE prove Thyself effect can be buffed per survivor?

One would result in an individual 20% boost and the other one would result in 3x 10% boosts.

@weirdkid5 said:
Only one Prove Thyself buff works at a time. They don't stack.

"Increases the Repair Speed by 10 % for each other Survivor working on a Generator within a range of 4 metres. Gain 50/75/100 % more Bloodpoints for cooperative Actions.

Survivors can only be affected by one Prove Thyself effect at a time."

Does this mean when 2x2 Survivors work on gens and both teams having one Prove Thyself, only ONE would actually work? My bad then, 30% speed buff for an individual Survivor is acceptable.