Why are survivors so toxic?

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Bubbalover
Bubbalover Member Posts: 38
edited November 2022 in General Discussions

I meet toxic survivors in every Killer match i play. I never met a toxic Killer tho. Is there a reason for Survivors beeing super toxic?

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  • TheSubstitute
    TheSubstitute Member Posts: 2,286
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    I also play both sides and agree 100%. Even taking the 4:1 ratio into account I see more toxic survivors and that's even with refusing to camp and tunnel when I play Killer. I see a lot of really good survivors as well but there's just something about the survivor side that brings out more toxicity.

  • dspaceman20
    dspaceman20 Member Posts: 4,699
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  • danielmaster87
    danielmaster87 Member Posts: 8,667
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    Might makes right. That's what they believe. They think that because they're beating you, they get to be unsportsmanlike and shove it in your face.

  • Bubbalover
    Bubbalover Member Posts: 38
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    I had 3 toxic survivors in my last game. I cant play a single Killer game without meeting at least one toxic survivor. I can play survivor tho and never meet toxic people. I dont understand it, its clearly a survivor thing

  • Mooks
    Mooks Member Posts: 14,565
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    Toxic


    (there are toxic players on both sides. And no, it’s not the toxic survivors that turn the good guy killers toxic. That’s just an excuse)

  • Sakurra
    Sakurra Member Posts: 1,046
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    Because they are poison.

  • Bubbalover
    Bubbalover Member Posts: 38
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    t-bagging, autoklicker for flashlight, hitting on hook and insults in text chat

  • Voriis
    Voriis Member Posts: 131
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    I wasn't trying to be a jerk about it lol I just realized I could have come off as smarmy. I was just was curious because people on this forum have vastly different definitions

  • Ghostflame92
    Ghostflame92 Member Posts: 21
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    i dont think there are actually more toxicity in survivors than killers. the toxic, bad manners mindset exists equally on both sides. i just think it's sheer numbers that makes it feel like more survivors do it. one toxic killer and 4 clean survivors means the killer outnumbers the survivors. but if even 1 survivor is toxic back, then at most it's an even trade: 1 toxic person on both sides. if any of the other 3 other teammates jump in with the first one, then just like that, the number of toxic survivors outnumber that of the killers. but that doesnt mean the killer wasnt toxic in the first place.


    granted, i'm saying all this under the assumption that "toxic" refers to words exchanged during endgame chat or basically any disrespect outside of a match. as far as i care, anything that happens in game is fair play. not necessarily fun, but fair.

  • DangerScouse
    DangerScouse Member Posts: 989
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    Because they are entitled. They have a game built completely for their benefit so they either like to rub it in when they win, or cry "tunneling camper" when they lose.

  • TotemSeeker91
    TotemSeeker91 Member Posts: 2,358
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    Nothing is toxic except for what's said in endgame chat, everything else is technically considered a "strategy"

  • gentacle
    gentacle Member Posts: 260
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    Herd behavior, probably.

  • th3
    th3 Member Posts: 1,810
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    I haven’t had a survivor harass me because I escaped multiple matches in a row from them just saying

  • Waterfall
    Waterfall Member Posts: 202
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    I been playing a lot of survivor recently and haven’t ran into an actual toxic killer yet. Only toxic killer I found was a Legion that smacked on hook and facecamped a Yui that was teabagging and flashlight macroing. But this I count as justified toxicity as the Yui was the only one they did this to and honestly I would’ve done the same. Toxicity is way more common from survivors from my experience and from killers it’s usually as retaliation.

  • Bubbalover
    Bubbalover Member Posts: 38
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    Exactly. I made the same experience. Survivors are way more toxic than killers

  • BubbaDredge
    BubbaDredge Member Posts: 815
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    Survivors are far more toxic because they expect the killer to follow rules they made up, that puts them in a state of outrage when the opposing team doesn't help them win.

    Everyone can be toxic, but it comes naturally to survivors because of their entitlement.

  • StarLost
    StarLost Member Posts: 8,077
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    It's because, unfortunately, this game feels designed in a way to make survivors feel like gods when they get away, and this feeling of utter dominance tends to promote gloating.

    The developers have also exacerbated the situation, with them stating on the forums that they believe 'smack talk' to be an essential part of online gaming. Although looking at the recent survey, this might be shifting.

    Yes, there are absolutely toxic killers.

    However (unless you consider camping to be 'toxic') I see proportionally far fewer toxic killers than toxic survivors.

    I think it comes from both the design of the game (killer tends to be very frantic and often feels like you're losing horribly until you eventually snowball while survivor tends to feel really easy and chill and then you die/escape) and the 'strength in numbers' aspect of playing survivor.

    It's just the gaming equivalent of a group at school picking on the loner.

  • BubbaDredge
    BubbaDredge Member Posts: 815
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    Your questionable anecdotal evidence definitely proves all other players are wrong.

    How many times in a row did you get matched with the same killer? By "harass" do you mean he tried to kill you in-game?

  • th3
    th3 Member Posts: 1,810
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    I’ve been matched with them more than enough to justify making a support ticket with evidence which is what I have done, and by “harass” I mean what they’ve done according to the rules qualifies as harassment/targeting rather than your snide comment. I’ve not had a survivor do this to me ever.

  • Bubbalover
    Bubbalover Member Posts: 38
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    A survivor is not able to harras an other survivr in a way a killer can, this comparison makes no sense

  • StarLost
    StarLost Member Posts: 8,077
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    Really?

    Now, I'm sorry you had a toxic killer, but even when I play survivor, I'm more likely to see people cussed out in postgame by my allies than the killer.

    On the other hand, this game was the game that made me make my Steam profile private - as a year or so ago, I comitted the mortal sin of killing a TTV and her mates and she sent her viewers to go and take a widdle on my Steam wall.

  • Marigoria
    Marigoria Member Posts: 6,090
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    Facecamping, nodding, teabagging, hitting on hook, letting you bleedout on purpose. Are those not enough?

  • BubbaDredge
    BubbaDredge Member Posts: 815
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    I've been reported for letting survivors 3-gen themselves. "It was definitely a valid reason" doesn't prove anything. The point of my snide comment is "this did or did not ever happen to me" doesn't mean it did or didn't happen to others. Because it happened to you once, that doesn't prove that's how it always happens, doesn't prove it common, doesn't dispute the collective experiences of others. You were SNIDELY implying that killers commonly harass survivors and survivors never would. If you don't like snide replies, don't make snide posts.

    No one should harass anyone. If some ######### was out of line, I hope he got banned, you don't deserve that. But survivors cry anytime a killer tries to play against them. What you're calling "harassment" might be a killer killing you. Was it tunneling?

  • katoptris
    katoptris Member Posts: 3,104
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    Both sides are toxic and there is no clear definition of toxic anymore.

  • katoptris
    katoptris Member Posts: 3,104
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    You ever get blocked in the corner by your teammates?

  • psionic
    psionic Member Posts: 670
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    It's just the nature of the roles. When the 'weaker one' (survivor) can bully the stronger one (killer). It's a battle of egos at the end. It's funny indeed

  • Rooftopper
    Rooftopper Member Posts: 141
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    this game gave me anger issues

  • Marigoria
    Marigoria Member Posts: 6,090
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    I've been blocked in a corner by both my team mates and the killer yes.

  • Marigoria
    Marigoria Member Posts: 6,090
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    Lol no. Camping can be seen as a strategy. Facecamping no.

    Yes, but those 2 killers still exist. And pig is way more common now.

    By that logic, teabagging done by the survivors can be tricky too. They too can teabag to communicate with you, point to ask you to go after them to see something. Yes context matters, but just because it can be used in farming matches, doesn't mean it isn't mostly used in a toxic way.

    Yes, survivors are more frequent, because per game, you have 4 survivors and only 1 killer.

  • FrostyEyesSusie
    FrostyEyesSusie Member Posts: 421
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    Of course there are more toxic survivors than killers (even taking into account the 1:4 ratio) , killers are always outnumbered. If they say anything there are 4 people ganging up on them. If they overstep the talk there are 4 people to report them.

    It gets tiresome to deal with 4 people always ganging up on you.

  • nostrada96ass
    nostrada96ass Member Posts: 257
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    to be honest dbd killers looks like mascot, its hard to resist

  • Predated
    Predated Member Posts: 2,898
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    Well, one huge thing to consider: were they actually toxic or where they trying to survive with as many people possible? Because spamming flashlight to get the killers attention away from something else isnt toxic, tbagging(outside of the exitgate) to keep killer aggro isnt toxic, thats just distracting the killer.

    Same with killers, tunneling and camping isnt exactly toxic. Its super lame and boring and you could do literally anything else thats actually productive, but its not toxic. Its not untill a killer smacks you on the hook, drops you in front of the hatch only to close it or spams their ability on you while you're already downed(looking at you Toxic Tricksters) that it's toxic.

    In short: Survivors cant really be toxic untill they have an oppertunity to exit the game, killers cant really be toxic untill the survivor is hooked or downed. They can be super tryhard sweatlords, but sweating=/=toxicity.

    As for endgame chat, well, lots of killers actually, even with the ratio in mind, I can easily remember 5 games in a row with the killer being toxic in chat, but I cant remember 5 games in a row where there was a toxic survivor in each match. Too many people who say gg ez after camping with bubba, or smacking you on the hook with Nurse after you dodged them for 4 gens, or tricksters repeatedly emtying their knife inventory on you untill you get too close to hatch. Survivors are relatively mild in that sense. In fact, I am even going to be controversial here: It's worse if the killer is being toxic, because it actively wastes someones time without them being able to do anything other than DC, where you could do something about a toxic survivor as a killer.

  • StarLost
    StarLost Member Posts: 8,077
    edited April 2022
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    Facecamping is extraordinarily effective against even high MMR teams - as the counter is basically 'abandon them, do gens and hope you can outpace him', which goes against how the game feels like it should be played. Factor in Insidious and it's lethal. It's the 6-pool of DbD - cheesy, effective and far more difficult to counter than it is to execute.

    I've literally never seen an (unprovoked) teabagging Pig. Ever. The closest I've seen to a BM Pig is the standard 'chase people away from boxes and tunnel' stuff.

    I've seen...maybe 2 unprovoked teabagging Ghostfaces. Even then, proportionally speaking, this is a fraction of a fraction of a vanishingly small minority.

    No, teabagging is different. When you're in the exit gates teabagging (I'd say about 80% of the games I lose have people doing this) it's done to BM. Yes, teabagging can contextually be communication (as in, 'heres a free kill' or 'thank you') but that's generally 1 or 2 quick dips. If you're spamming teabags or worse, clicking your flashlight - it's unambiguously BM. Plus, survivors have emotes. Killers can only communicate by hitting things or nodding/shaking.

    No, even factoring in the 4 to 1 ratio, survivors are more likely to be BM unprovoked.

    You know what, I'm going to be playing survivor for at least the next fortnight. So I'll note down whenever I see a killer being toxic (hitting on hook, teabagging etc.) and I'll post it here if I remember.

    I'd guess it's going to be <10% of the time.

  • TheSubstitute
    TheSubstitute Member Posts: 2,286
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    Teabagging inside the game, especially if it is done at the exit gate as well, is toxic. The only time saying it is only done as a 'strategy' has any merit as an argument is when the person also says ggwp or something similar after to show they had no ill intent.

    There are many other ways to try to get a killer's attention without giving a digital middle finger to the player.

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