What is making Killer not Fun?

There are usually two things that makes the killer games super unfun; games that are way too easy and games that are way too hard

Unfortunately for DBD, the vast vast vast majority of killer games seem to be one of those two.

Someone is getting obliterated in my games for the most part. No matter which side it is, that's not a ton of fun.

What makes killer unfun for me but i still play it and enjoy killer but just will list the stuff that bugs me about killer play.

1] when the team is full on SWF and have near perfect communication. (sounds like your flashlight situation or close to it).

2] Generators finish too fast (3 mins) When a game should last at least 10 mins id say for such a game like this.

3] Meta perks all around need a good looking at. I know my opinion isn't common but overperforming meta perks should be looked at to match more average perks. This game isn't completive and it needs rely on your own skill over clutches in perk performance (so much of the meta atm). Im a killer main and ill take the hit as long as survivors perks are looked at as well. Much of the killer perks are used to counter the SWF and other bs the SWF pull off.

4] I never face camp since its stale anyway *but man sometimes you really are forced to with the good swf teams.. no joke there is a reason killer do ######### like this (of course super new people as well)... the swf teams are just that oppressive you have to. This goes along with slugging as well.. only viable thing i could do sometimes is slug since they picked their partners up in seconds as they literally leave all gens to save. I can say i only had one of these extreme swf which i imagine is up in the competitive area of dbd which i never want to touch again

I Love being killer but it can be a nightmare. I think my opinion is common on the balance of the game but may as well list my opinions on your post. For now just tank your mmr and just kinda gauge if your team looks good or not and enjoy your killer experience. Im not a sweaty killer at all and let them out a lot but its my choice over being completely gamed like an idiot when the games all about the killer hunting people (not the other way around)

What makes killer unfun is when survivors are using voice comms and calling out the killer’s location, so the survivors can hide early. So the killer sometimes patrols all the generators, and doesn’t find anyone, specifically because of voice comms. It also means that if the survivors are using voice comms, the killer is stuck camping on open maps, because if the killer leaves the hook, the hooked survivor will call out the killer’s location to everyone so they can hide early. The game isn’t balanced around voice comms, and when people use voice comms to gain an advantage, it’s not fun for the other side.

For me, it's map selection. I have a limited amount of time to play every day. It's ridiculous that I can select a killer and randomly get a map or be forced onto a map via offerings that renders my killer power virtually unusable. It's completely unfun when 20 minutes of my 1 hr for gaming is spent playing Billy on Lerys or an M1 killer on The Game.

The only way to mitigate the stupid BP grind is via offerings, but the only way to even give yourself a chance at a good map is also an offering. We have way too little control over map selection given how much they swing outcomes and the fun factor.

Honestly and this might sound silly but the perk Dead Hard. It's really frustrating mindgaming a survivor only for them to press a single button and make it to a pallet or window extending the chase way longer than it needs to be.

It's just the fact it's basically a get out of jail free card for survivors. It pretty much punished good killer plays and rewards bad survivor plays lol.

Dead hard takes the fun away. When almost every survivor has a "nuh-uh!" Button taking away the satisfaction of pulling off good plays that can be used several times per match it's just not a rewarding experience.

Will just do a list of short "sentences" :

• too many unfair perks (4 DH mainly)
• too many unfair/unskilled loop - it is just gambling at that point
• semi-infinite loops (when 2 windows are near - not talking about LT though)
• gen speed

So we could say unfair maps' layout and amount of strong surv perks making the surv team unfair. Apart from that gameplay is okay even though some killers' movements feel clunky : PH rite of judgement feels weird, Sadako TP feels slow and clunky, Billy's chainsaw end stun is dumb.

MMR. It's really that simple. If you want to go more in-depth, you can talk about maps, perks, stuff like that. What made it tolerable was the randomness in random matchmaking. Trying to make a 1v4 asymmetrical horror game perfectly balanced in a game where 4 equally skilled survivors should have a much easier time, even if they die, against an equally skilled killer, is just silly.

Both sides have a lot of frustrations, and the developers rarely do much to help with it. That is the game and it will never get better

Killer gameplay, at base, is incredibly flat.

Survivors have a variety of tasks that need to be accomplished. Find gens, do gens, keep an eye out for the killer. Find totems, find items, dodge the killer while going for an unhook. Try to help your teammates, open doors, hide from the killer. And of course, there's the all important chase. There's dynamism and variety, one second you're in a heart-pounding chase, the next you're taking a breather as you work on a gen.

Killers, in comparison, have almost no elements to their gameplay. Find survivor, chase survivor, hook survivor. From there, you either rinse and repeat, or camp. You are -always- on the clock.

Put simply: The gameplay design for survivor is a TON more involved than for killers. I think that's also leading to killers complaining about survivors being OP, then posting a screenshot of them getting 3K+: Killer gameplay isn't fun unless you are in full control of the match, which is generally only going to happen if you're stomping the survivors.

So I think that a lot of balance complaints also stem from killer gameplay being flat.

Boiled over, hook offering and then running up to 2-3 floor. You simply just can't walk to hook in time.

Bodyblocking the hook, so after an exhausting chase and long walk to hook you can't hook the survivor just because someone sat. What is the point of sabotaging if you can just sit?

Aaand matchmaking is far from perfect, fun games where skills are similar is a rare occasion.

The only time I don't have fun are when survivors hold w and predrop pallets. Chasing is legit the only fun thing in the game, so when I get denied a good chase I have no fun. If I just get those survivors for a while I just stop playing for a few days or a week.

I also noticed, especially with a lot of the matchmaking tests I'm just getting survivors way below my skill level compared to mmr right now (which does it occasionally), and I hate it. I don't have fun destroying teams that have no chance - it's honestly dreadfully boring. I want more of a challenge in my matches.

And that is exactly the problem bhvr cant solve. Too easy are games against random solos and unfair are games against swf. Exceptions prove the rule.

1. Super fast Gen Pops.

2. Toxic Behaviour

3. Deadhard

4. Survivors hiding the entire Match

What is making killer not fun?

Bhvr

Mostly SWF thinking they are playing a fair game using comms.

It's clear the game wasn't designed to be played that way. Hence aura perks which they no longer need and can fill with other controversial perks like DH or Boons.

lol imagine being scared of a map.

Did that comment really warrant any kind of reply? Everybody knows some maps are awful, too big, too much hiding places, corn, ...

Not even really bait. I prefer indoor maps. They are much more varied than the bog standard cars, coal, and corn you get 90% of the game. And this from a killer main.

I am more mocking the entire notion of d/cing. #########'s sad.