Check out this skilled Huntress play!

It definitely takes so much skill to stand I one place. Especially for a long period of time

Removing camping or securing kills will force killer to chase different killer = extending the game and giving survivors easier time to gen rush if that happens killer mains will flood everywhere complaining.

The only real solution to this is to slow down gens and make it more fair and possible for killers to play in different ways so they don't need to camp and tunnel.

Yes cause holding M1 longer is what everyone wants to do... People need to stop asking for this, I may not like the devs the way I used to, but I agree with them, making the least enjoyable part of the game longer is not the solution.

You're never going to fix camping, but they could put systems in place to discourage it. The problem is that will only reduce it to some extent, Bubba basement is a meme and will exist as long as bubba is in the game, people who just got discouraged by being outplayed are still going to camp no matter what you do.

Some people just like camping and tunneling one person out, really the only solution is to discourage it and deal with it when it happens.

At least your doing something albeit it doesn't take a lot of skill. Camping takes none imo

Before I respond, could you please point out where I said anything about nerfing killers? At best I said give them less BP which isn't an actual nerf...

I don't really care about tunneling or camping to me it is a tactic a bad killer uses to boost a skill value they can't see that only puts them against more survivors they don't have the skill to play against. I am going to assume I am not TOP MMR but I am probably above average in my abilities. I do better some matches than others, and have I tunneled or camped? Sure probably, but its not a tactic I rely on.

The game isn't competitive and you're not playing against 4 AI bots. You're playing against 4 other people that you have no idea what their day was like, they could have had a bad day at work, gotten broken up with, lost a loved one, got a promotion at work, got a new pet, lost a pet... Saying your fun is more vaulable than theirs simply because it's you and not them, is selfish.

I am never going to tell people they stop camping and tunneling, if they want to be selfish or do it for whatever reason they can and I am just going to move on, however, I wont ever encourage it. Its no fun for the other side.

And before you go off, I say the same thing about booli SWF squads and survivors that run all meta perks... To me, if you play in a way you know the other side finds unfun, you don't really get to complain about the othersides point of few.

Yes, I don't consider gaining less bp as a nerf. As it does not affect the killer's ability to kill survivors, it just affects the killer's rewards for their playstyle... That is not a nerf in my mind. Sorry that we disagree on this.

And you are right, the survivor meta is terrible. Find me on twitch and I am sure you will hear me yelling about dead hard 800 times. IT SUCKS. But to be fair, I blame the survivor meta on killers and the killer meta on survivors. When I play killer and I see Dead Hard on 3+ survivors per game... It really makes me want to run better perks and addons, but I really don't want to be a part of that loop.

Also our views might be different because of what you consider a win. According to BHVR, its 0-1 kills is a lose, 2 kills is a tie and 3+ kills is a win. You don't need hooks. However, I personally count 7-8 hooks as a win. And I get that more often than not when I play the way I play. I bet if you look at all of these 8k hour killers you're talking about they often get quite a few hooks or at least 2+ kills per game. Even if they don't tunnel. this 4k = win, is a toxic way to look at the game.

See that is the problem, the devs have defined a win, but neither you or I go by it as a win. Everyone in this community has their own win conditions. And then everyone plays to meet their win conditions, not the games. All for some rank/MMR that really just means nothting.

Please know, I am not trying to be rude or say what you're doing is wrong, I've even openly admitted my condition isn't BHVR's. I am saying, as long as everyone keeps playing to "win" the game is just going to be unfun at higher levels.

So once again, if a killer wants to camp and tunnel, its going to happen, and if survivors want to booli, its going to happen. Its really just a twisted chicken and egg that is never going to end.

Sorry to break it for you but the devs said facecamping is a mind game.

You mean the endless grind to P3 Perk out every survivor and killer isn't enough of a grind for you? I get what you're saying Ranks give you progression and trigger that nice little rush in your mind.

What I am saying is I get this without feeling like I need to tunnel or camp every game. I do it sometimes, sure, but it's not my go-to tactic. sometimes I just accept that I lost.

I guess my point is, play however you want, but if you're doing something you know is going to ruin that person's fun, you don't get the right to complain when someone does something that ruins your fun. Play how you want to play, I am not going to stop you. We just don't play the same way or for the same reasons is all I am saying.