Why is the nurse and blight considered OP?

Nurse's counterplay is different than the standard killers. Most players don't know how to play against her and don't get enough practice against her because she's so unique. She's not that popular, and the odds of facing a really good Nurse are even less. You might run into a good Nurse once a week at most depending on your server. That's not a lot of time to practice. She doesn't "ignore everything" like you'll commonly read, but she plays her own game.

Blight has several ridiculous add ons and really good synergy with meta perks.

Because nurse is objectively the best killer in the game without question and always will be without serious retuning.

Blight because he synergises well with meta perks and has busted add ons

- Nurse ignores every survivor defense and has crazy mobility.

- Blight is fine, save for the Alchemist's Ring + Blighted Crow combo and the 180 flick. But every meta build or good perk is great on him.

Well if ur winning consistently as a killer, doesn't that make them actually "op"? If you get an average of a 2k each game that seem balanced but if he getting a 4k every game or almost every game, I think that does tell you they need a toning down.

I respectfully disagree.

-Slam duration addons increase your movement speed after bumping which is helpful for repositioning.

-Blight Tag is very good because you don't necessarily need to hinder yourself to use it, and if you learn to use it it's dangerously effective. It's one of those addons that gives the killer a whole different playstyle that needs to be learned separately.

-Vigo's journal can be really good for sneaking up on survivors and for mindgaming survivors in tiles.

-Compound 21 is incredibly helpful for flicking around loops to get hits.

yea but heres the thing, can be good, can be helpful, there isn't much guaranteed value in blight addons, most of it requires some base level of skill, most of the addons are upgrades but are also nothing or even downgrades if you can't use them.

I mean, if you don't have that base level of skill when playing Nurse and Blight then you're already going to lose.

Nurse has no realistic counter, she ignores everything.

Blight isn’t OP its just alchem ring

Blight is fine.

Nurse on the other hand has already crossed the OP line. I would not have called her OP a year ago; the best killer avaiable? Absolutely. Overpowered? Not quite yet. That changed when the fire nations attacked....

I think it was about 6 months or so that Otz made a point of saying that many already available perks cannot be buffed because of Nurse. Similarly, many fantastic ideas for killer perks cannot be implemented because if equipped by the Nurse they would be game-breaking.

The devs however were either not aware or simply ignored such warnings, and introduced such changes anyway.

As a result, new perks like Scourge Hook: Floods of Pain - perfectly fine perk for all other killers - are invariably broken when used by the Nurse.

Nurse with Agitation, Starstruck, Floods of Pain, and Distressing/Lethal Pursuer/Devour Hope simply cannot be played against.

How do you protect yourself from Starstruck+Floods of Pain combo? Even if you wait out the full 30 seconds for exposed to go away - risking stage 2 in the process - you still won't be able to prevent the Nurse from getting the Floods of Pain bonus: an insanely long 7 seconds of seeing everyone's auras making the hits from this killer impossible to avoid. On top of that, by the time you are done with the unhook the nurse is guaranteed to be far enough away to gain a Devour Hope token and then good luck getting rid of that once they get to 3. Floods of Pain ends up being a very substantial buff to Infectious Freight (a fine perk, except that it operated very differently when used by the Nurse). You get 1 extra second of aura reading, you no longer need to put anyone in the dying state first, you no longer need to leave anyone slugged on the ground before going after another survivor, there is no map range limit, and if you combine it with Starstruck there will only be a 30 second for survivors to execute the unhook without survivors risking stage 2 . This means Nurses can leave the hook, check on a couple of gens and if unhook happens they will most likely get one use of FoP+Starstruck, and if there has been no unhook after 35 seconds then they can just blink back to the hook and either block or force next stage that way, getting a huge time discount on it.

Finally, we still have the same old elephant in the room: All of nurse's hits - with and without the blink - are considered Basic Attacks.

All fast or projective-based attacks that can actually do damage you are special attacks. All except for the one based on a mechanic that allows it to ignore distance and physical LOS obstacles.

Blight's Rush is a Special attack, Huntess' Hatchets, Demogorgon's Shred, Nemesis' Whip, Pig's rush, Victor's Pounce, the Trickster's Knives, the Artist's birds (these cannot even do damage if there are physical barriers in the way on the first hit), the Plague's Purge, and Pyramid Head's Rites are all Special Attacks. Nurse's Blink is the only outlier.

"Because Nurse isn't easy, she can be as OP as I want"

Because they can actually somewhat compete in a 1v4 against competent players.

Blight is perfect killer i would say most balanced in the game all killers should be like him power wise hard to play but fun and able to compete! same is when playing against him idk why people cry about him while get toxic when they have easy games against weak killers like they are gods of game hah.

And for nurse she can be boring to play against because she ignores everything that is normal gameplay in game she is out of place but for me i dont mind her i would only want people not to suicide and dc when they play against her you cant win every match oh maybe that is to boost her kill rate eo she get nerfed right? 🤣

Some survivor (mains) say that because Nurse isn't easily avoided with the basic loop-DH-pallet tactic and Blight has a good map coverage and basically can be on you in no time either. (Among other details.)

That opinion is flawed of course. Nurse has plenty of weaknesses (just not the same than a Trapper or any mostly M1 killer) as Blight does. Each killer should be versed using a different tactic.

I find good survivors able to dodge me (as Nurse) all the time. Yesterday I went against a guy with whom I had minute-long chases. (And still, I've been called a "God" Nurse by many players who do not realize I was only lucky a few times or they were simply not very good to begin with).

The counter argument for the ones calling any killer OP is simple. They only need to take that killer for a spin, win lots of games and see how "easy" they have it when they verse actually good survivors. (And maybe learn from them how to beat that killer). Strangely enough, nobody seems to ever does this (with one exception, on this forum, I'm sorry I forgot his name). I guess learning is hard and complaining is easier.

Note that on the last statistics, Nurse has the lowest kill rate. That's how easy it is to win with her.

Not to mention he doesn't seem to take into account he isn't an average player and shouldn't assume every player is at his level. Yet, he does.

She takes the "survivor rulebook for killers" and shoves it back to their throats xD

What defences do survivors have then? Windows and pallets are useless, lockers only delay a hit by a couple of seconds, and using LOS blockers is a complete coin flip.

This.