Place your bets. How will they nerf Legion?
I don't think they should, don't get me wrong - but we've all seen this song and dance before. A killer gets introduced/buffed to a point where they are pretty strong, but also very easy to play. Then they proceed to dominate low MMR gameplay while being average or weak against skilled survivors, causing their average killrates to skyrocket, and then they are nerfed into mediocre irrelevancy. Freddy, Wraith, Pinhead, (can play as basic M1 killer and still get passively carried by the box at low ranks) Pig on release, arguably Nemesis... the only killer of this kind who's escaped this cycle (as far as I can remember) is Bubba, for some reason.
Now, let's look at Legion. Provided he comes to live the way he is, Legion is a killer who counters stealth, has passive slowdown with Deep Wounds which gives survivors a secondary objective that downs them if they forget to do it, punishes survivors who make the mistake of grouping up, and can pressure, injure the whole team quickly and even down survivors in his power. And he's still pretty easy to play, and popular. Despite seeming like just a decent killer in normal play, he's a low MMR survivor team's worst nightmare.
I'll be very, very surprised if Legion's killrate doesn't skyrocket upon the midchapter, and then is nerfed in some way. My guess is that they'll make it so that your 5th Frenzy hit has to be on a survivor without Deep Wounds, so you have to chain hits between survivors 5 times instead of 4 and then hitting the last guy again, and then nerf add-ons like Mural Sketch, Never-Sleep Pills and Mischief List. I hope I'm wrong, but they've set a precedent.
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6th hit downs the survivor instead of the 5th.
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I don't think they'll nerf his base kit but I'm quite certain they'll nerf some of his add ons like mischief list and sketch.
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When you mention only a killer's strengths and omit their weaknesses any of them sound strong. It's a disingenuous way to frame your argument.
That being said, I'm certain they'll figure out some way to leave legion worse than before.
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They'll reduce the extra movement speed bonus from hitting multiple Survivors
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True, but Legion's weaknesses don't matter to low MMR teams. His weaknesses are splitting up on gens, looping, not making mistakes while injured, and not wasting time healing unless necessary. That's basically the antithesis of low MMR play.
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Maybe they'll remove the bonus for the first hit and move it to chain hits only, kinda like the pins currently work to apply their effects. I don't know. It's a guessing thread, I threw a guess.
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They'll move the speed boost to an Add-on instead of base-kit
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Probably nothing beyond fixing the exploit for getting chain hits off hooked survivors, which some will insist is a nerf.
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Did I miss something in the PTB that made him strong?
Hes still a pretty average killer, dont get me wrong I like the buffs and it was all cool but legion can only go so far in power. He better but i wouldn't say hes strong...
Are we counting the bug where you could get the 4hits on a hooked survivor to down someone on the 5th? 😂
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The only nerf I can see is where stabbing the hooked survivor counts as frenzy hits
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not counting the bug, he seems to be in a working order
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that was an old bug that now became a problem, it will be gone come patch launch day
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TBH I can't see Legion being much better for the changes. The speed boost is certainly nice, but needing to hit EVERYONE to get any use out of the downing mechanic isn't going to be reliable at all.
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gotta go fast
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It doesn't matter how good he is at high level. BHVR have proven time and again that the gross killrates are the primary source for balance, and those killrates reflect low levels more than high levels, as seen by Pig, Freddy, Pinhead and Nurse's killrates. Legion will dominate low levels due to how his power works. Thus, he's likely to be nerfed.
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My Playstation 2 is in working order, I also like a bunch of its games and they're fun but it doesnt make it better than the other consoles.
Legion=PS2 ,games=legion addons ,Other consoles=Other killers.
Basically hes better, but hes still not that strong. Hes just okay and that's fine, not every power will be amazing at all levels of play
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Yeah and balancing around players that dont even do their objective is dumb.
Doesnt mean I'm going to call him strong just because he can beat terrible players... if that's the case every killers strong.
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That PS2 holds alot of memories 😂 glad someone liked it lol
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I'm going to say something crazy here and guess they won't.
Yeah i'm betting on the low win chance high payoff horse
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"Survivors can now stab Legion as revenge after he stabs 4 survivors"
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Yeah, when they mentioned the buff they are giving Legion, I was thinking how insanely unbalanced that would be at low and mid levels of play. And on top of that, he's easy to use for new players.
My guess is he'll be nerfed. Then again, their decisions on balance has been really questionable with the Boil Over nerf and I really think the CoH nerf is unwarranted. They even admitted the CoH-nerf was because people on forums was asking for it.
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I must say, this does concern me a bit.
Legion is already an unstoppable force of destruction for newbies.
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Slight correction- they did not admit that they nerfed CoH because people on the forums wanted it, they said that they moved the change up to this PTB because people disliked CoH in general. They planned on doing it completely independently, and did it sooner because people were still (rightfully) complaining.
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They release an only killer patch and killers should thank it, not ridicule it
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The only place that the Developers communicate with a large group of the player base is the forums, whether it is here, twitter or reddit. So forums is pretty much implied at that point.
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The influence from the forums was still timing, not whether the change got made at all.
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On the positive side, they can't make legion weaker than it was.
And at least the new music "kills" it. I will continue playing legion just because they look cool to me.
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Did the developers ever say they were planning to nerf CoH independent from the forums?
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Right, because they keep buffing Nurse even though her kill rate is only 45% or so.
…. Oh no, that’s right, that never happened and that’s not actually what they do.
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They gave her Torn Bookmark, one of the strongest add-ons in the game, and fully reworked her code not too long ago to make her more consistent. I'd call those notable buffs. Obviously they're not going to make her 4.4m/s, because they're not insane, but they have buffed Nurse and Blight multiple times recently while nerfing Wraith, Pinhead and Clown. If you have a reason for that besides gross pick/killrates, I'd like to hear it.
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Right, fixing bugs is “buffing”, got it. 🙄
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Yup. A few times here on the forums, it was clarified that the phrasing of "due to popular demand we've moved a nerf forward to this PTB" does, in fact, mean that all they did was move the nerf forward, not implement it to begin with.
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If they don't balance based on primarily raw data, why did they give Nurse 3 blinks and at the same time, nerf Marvin's Blood? Please tell me.
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Well, ask killers about dh and devs fixing bugs
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Why are you assuming I’m not a killer main? I never play survivor.
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If they are balancing Nurse just based on raw kill rates on all matches she is by far the lowest kill rate killer in the game. They would have buffed her into the sky by now.
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Will be interesting to see what they’ll do but yeah will be a nightmare for low mmr survivors with legion being so easy to apply pressure. With immersed blendettes and healing each other at first injury, stats of "over performance" will pour in aswell as complaints.
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Yeah, Legion is still not strong, and will never really be so long as his power is tied to survivors staying in a herd. Their power is fundamentally weak. They have an exciting new paint job and some shiny new rims, but the engine is still crap.
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That literally what gonna happen with them.
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Nerf all their useful add-ons like what happened to Hillbilly and Pinhead.
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