You should NOT lose any pips if you get facecamped to death.

You have an entire map to work with at the beginning. Run the killer half as long as I can, as a garbage survivor, and you will pip even if you get face camped.

PIP = Climb rank

High rank = More points

What's not to understand about that?

Way to use illogical nonsense to outright dismiss an actual issue just because “muh survivors!!”

Really shows your bias lol

But... But some people do, you do realise there are like 50 characters in game to upgrade, right? BP are really important lol

"I have all the perks I want"

I I I I I I I I I I I

I just have a problem with a skill based system being the deciding factor for a system that's supposed to equal time played. That makes no sense. I've seen a lot of people play this game non stop for 2 weeks straight and they have nothing to show for it. They started at iri 4, they're decent survivors or killers, but with the randomness that can happen from match to match they might pip a couple matches, and then either safety or depip the following matches. Even though they played pretty well, they just died in the end. They play in a swf too, refuse to play solos. Everyone runs DS and BT, still the same result. Because in order to get to that iri 1 you have to play pretty well consistently, which means escaping or 4king more than just that 50% average. Because if you escape half the time and get tunneled out the other half, it's going to just cancel out both sides and you're left in the same position. But that's what behavior wants in matchmaking right? Average of two kills/escapes, or winning around 50%. It just simply doesn't make sense.

So you end up playing, but not getting rewarded for playing which is what grades is supposed to do. I get that it's easy to say well if you just play enough it'll happen. But that's not the case all the time. Sometimes you can play a ton but due to the mix of good matches and bad matches, you get nowhere. Your time invested into the game goes unrewarded.

When it was transitioned from judging skill to being time played, the skill based system should've been Reworked into something that actually calculated time played, and there's tons of existing systems out there to choose from that could be applied to DBD.

Heck a simple point bar where you get points for actions in game that fills up as you play. When it's full you go up a grade. The more you do the more points you get, the faster it goes up. If you join and do nothing you get nothing. Or even doing like other games where if you're afk for 5 minutes you auto disconnect. Maybe give a base amount to players but the only way to get it is to actually interact with an objective. Or make it to where if you have crows over your head you get no points until you move again. So people can't just join and afk to gain points. All of these options would make more sense than, grades=time played if you play well enough CONSISTENTLY

honestly I think that the way the system is set up now you shouldn't loose pips period.

they only go toward grade and grades only give you blood points. Since you can't drop below a grade you reach the whole idea of losing pips is antiquated. grades have nothing to do with matchmaking anymore so

Actually, 6 or 7 minutes into a game is quite a long time, especially in the current meta, which sees matches being over a lot quicker than it may have been the case when we saw more hit & run playstyles.

Regardless of time, this is most certainly not the same situation. As killer it is absolutely in your hands, especially if you are dominating early on in a game. Nobody is forcing you to four-man-slug and one-hook everyone. You actually have to go out of your way to do so. If this happens and I end up with a group clearly below my skill level or overly altruistic survivors I tend to slug 2-3 and let the others go for the save.

Facecamping was a thing before swivel hooks. Before that killers could stand face to face with you to block unhooks.

After swivel hooks, survivor mains began calling anything camping "facecamping" if they even look at you from 30 meters away.

No such thing as facecamping in this game anymore.

Incorrect. Facecamping was literally face to face camping.

What you call facecamping was called proxy camping before facecamping was nerfed by swivel hooks.

You are the one who seems to not know what facecamping really is. You even use "proximity" in description of what you consider facecamping.

"So...what makes you think your definition is more accurate than mine,"

Because "face" camping meant exactly that, and your definition is wrong, for reasons just as I said. Because people like you started calling anything facecamping.

Those of us who were here before they added swivel hooks know what "FACE"camping really is.

I understand, and I am not fighting anyone. That guy above came at me like I was wrong, when in fact, I am 100% correct in the actual definition of "FACEcamping" the word face was added to camping to distinguish it from hard camping, or proxy camping.

only reason I posted more was becuase I was called out as if I was wrong,... just saying.

If facecamping isn't a thing anymore, what do you call a killer watching you on the hook, swinging at you until you either die or they get a trade?

In my opinion Killers in a 5m radius of the hook (or a little bigger maybe) should just not get a pip if they are there for too long. If someone wants to facecamp the first person they down in a match, there is not much you can do about it (since looping a killer for 5 gens is unrealistic) but it rewards the killer with a pip if they get 1-2 people. A few other ways to handle this is blocking the usage of primary and secondary fire if too close around a hook for a long period of time without being in chase with another survivor (and have a little cooldown once they do enter a chase so he cant instantly use it.) or just have them get less bloodpoints for it. Facecamping is already a bad strat, but it also removes the fun of most people you play against.

I agree, I don't want it shown during the match, just having the score events like now, maybe tweak them for the new system. But just a bar at the end of each match that keeps progressing match to match. Once it's filled, go up a grade, simple. And keeping the emblem system to show how well you did during the match. You do well, you get a bit more points, but everyone gets something for actually playing, even if they're tunneled or camped out. And the biggest part, you can't lose progress throughout the match. So you don't feel like you're losing the rewards you earned in other matches. I think people would sweat a bit less too if they didn't have to worry about killing all 4 survivors or leaving survivors to die so that they can escape and pip.

Brain dead reading skills.

I didnt say it would nullify face camping altogether which is what you are insinuating in your comment.

I said everyone gets face camped and that getting better at looping would help at staying alive, that in no way is the same as telling someone they can avoid face camping 100%.

Learn to read before you try to argue with someone.

Unpopular opinion: you shouldn't have let yourself get caught. There is a bunch of pallets on the map, perks to prolong chases, and you have 3 other teammates where if all else fails you can pass the killer to. Next time don't get caught first.

Side note: You are seeing camping a lot because it is becoming more effective or people are reaching the point where they are frustrated enough to camp. If there wasn't so much toxicity in 85 percent of matches there might be less camping. But I forgot this is a game and God forbid some people play it for fun