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Anyone Else Feeling Like Ghostface Got... Nerfed?

StarLost
StarLost Member Posts: 8,077

His addons got a small buff (he's still got a lot of terrible ones) but the changes to his Reveal mechanic make it way harder to keep your power up.

The 'extra window' for revealing means that frequently I'll start to get revealed, immediately duck into cover and thanks to latency, I get revealed - when before the change I would have stayed concealed. It honestly feels like if there's a survivor looking anywhere in my general direction, I get broken out.

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  • sizzlingmario4
    sizzlingmario4 Member Posts: 6,913

    It definitely felt way easier to reveal him as survivor. While I appreciate that they did make it a bit less clunky I feel like they almost made it too good and it should’ve been somewhere in the middle.

    But yeah I agree besides some of his addons I don’t think his changes did much for him at all. Legion got a lot more love.

  • Laluzi
    Laluzi Member Posts: 6,223

    I don't see how you could call it anything but a nerf, trying to chase people with that wash cycle ringing in your ears.

    But in all seriousness, yes. His addons are better, but I can't call the changes to his mechanics anything other than a nerf. Increasing the marked duration doesn't mean much because you typically shouldn't be marking people at points where they can have a prolonged chase; sneaking up or 99ing and then popping right behind someone is much more effective. Marked survivors being unable to reveal him - I mean, yeah, you can't turn around and stare at him during the chase (assuming he didn't just instagank you and dismiss his own cloak, which is the ideal Ghostface scenario), but Ghostface isn't going to be stalking other players while he's chasing your marked butt, so it doesn't really matter that much other than giving other players a better idea of where he is. But again, because you're marked, you're a more appealing target than most other survivors you might stumble across. Meanwhile, it's considerably easier to bust him out of cloak while he's stalking you, and that's massive considering just how powerless Ghostface is against aware survivors, especially comms. Now he doesn't even have the ability to pop in and out of cover to finish a stalk. He definitely needs more love, because the changes didn't address his problems (except the 'only one line of my addons is remotely useful' one.)

  • StarLost
    StarLost Member Posts: 8,077

    Weirdly, I don't mind the new tune. It can be a bit grating, but it's nowhere near as bad as the 'nyooooorrr nyooooorrr' of the Trickster theme (dammit but I hate facing Tricksters).

    His addons are a weird mix. Some are good, some are bad, some are worse than the originals.

    It feels like most of the attention went to Legion, sadly. Frankly, I liked Ghosty better as he was, in all his janky glory.

  • PeaceNGrease
    PeaceNGrease Member Posts: 673

    Overall I was a little underwhelmed with both killers changes. It's infinitely more easy to get a Mori with Sadako than it is to get close to a 5th hit down on Legion against good survivors, and GF gets revealed through keyholes and or survivors have ring cameras set up on every map (I honestly have no idea how much worse it's been since the update since I outright don't play this killer).


    I will say overall I have more fun with GF now because he has some funky add-ons, but he's still very weak because his gameplay style is weak, and it's weak because no killer without anti-loop or a power to slow the game down in any way can possibly be good.


    He needs to have the single strongest M1 stealth style in the game, reveal should be like the afterthought the condemned mechanic is on Sadako, because survivors shouldn't be able to take away his only power so easy if he doesn't even have a passive, and they do it with absolutely no risk because he has to stalk longer than Myers to get an expose but the survivors get a notification in seeing they're exposure status.


    It's actually made me feel pretty pessimistic about any possible buffs/reworks going forward. I'm just starting not to care anymore, it's gotten to a point where any change is either meaningless or a backhanded nerf, aside from Nurse and Blight which make absolutely no sense.

  • phant0mthi3f
    phant0mthi3f Member Posts: 47

    Absolutely a nerf. Only one stalk speed add on which barely does anything. Way too easy to be revealed. Some add ons are better tho. For some reason they nerfed the crouch speed add on. Still useless either way but sometimes I did a crouch only meme build. But now for some reason they nerfed it by 3% speed. When previously his two add ons made it 11% now the single is 8%.

  • HauntedKnight
    HauntedKnight Member Posts: 388

    The problem will always be with GF that if you’re an average player you can very quickly get drawn into a match where you don’t even use your power and you’re just in constant chases trying to m1. Especially if survivors have good awareness/spine chill. Once people know it’s GF it’s much easier to reveal him and god help you if you’re playing a coordinated team. All of this is an individual skill problem, a power design problem and a gen speed problem. It’s not a good combination.

    Generally I find that if the initial couple of stalks go well then you’ll be fine. But if you lose your power early due to some BS reveal and gens start to pop off it’s gg ez.

  • Regulus47
    Regulus47 Member Posts: 450

    He got two strong basekit buffs, and literally every single addon he has got buffed. He's got exhaustion addons now and wallhack addons and you're still complaining? The reveal changes are just a quality of life thing, it's really not that deep, just expose them or hide better if you don't want to be revealed. If the survivor is looking at him and he is out in the open he deserves to be revealed, that's how his power is designed.

    I swear killer mains will call anything a nerf even if it makes them 0.00001% weaker. Ghostface undeniably got buffed, this is like saying the dead hard fix was a buff because it works as intended now. No it doesn't lol

  • Norhc
    Norhc Member Posts: 575

    He still is the worst killer in the game, that's for sure.

  • Deadeye
    Deadeye Member Posts: 3,627

    tbh I played a few matches with him and got way more stalk downs than ever. I cant say what and how reveal/stalk got changed but it felt better. I also like the addon changes (although legion was a bit more lucky than GF)

  • StarLost
    StarLost Member Posts: 8,077

    Yes, the Dead Hard 'fix' amounted to a buff.

    Two strong basekit buffs...explain? The marked duration is basically irrelevant, because he's not designed to mark and then have a long chase.

    The issue is that the 'reveal' thing means that now, if a survivor looks at you - even if you duck back into cover you'll still often be revealed. That's a huge nerf, considering that Spine Chill is now a perfect blanket hard counter to him.