Stop killing yourself on hook againts camping bubba
Seriously. You hate campers? Then STOP dying on the hook, you are giving them free kills up to 4K on the whole team just because your actions. Thanks.
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inb4 someone comes in crying about "I want out of that match, you can't make me play a game I don't wanna be in, blah blah blah."
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Or you know, BHVR can always address it after four and a half years?
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Yea, they are helping them. It's like "I hate this playstyle so I will support him and get killed the whole team haha".
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Or they don't care about the game enough to waste their time.
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more like "whatever this guy can have staring at hooks for the next 8 minutes while I play a real match"
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I understand, but the problem is that this helps this playstyle aka makes it even more effective ---> people gona do it more ---> everyone will have worse time (exept for the people who enjoys sitting 80% of the game at hooks)
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As much as you may want to get out and go next against facecamping bubba, you shouldn’t because doing so enables this playstyle. If someone camps with bubba and the survivor kills themselves on hook, they’re going to see that it works and continue doing it.
Give your teammates an opportunity to do gens and have a chance to escape and make sure the killer doesn’t get to ruin the game and also get a 4k. It sucks that your teammates pretty much can’t rescue you, but if survivors do gens and leave while the killer sits in basement for 2 minutes then eventually at least some of the killers doing it will get bored of it.
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Nah. I want out of the match. Don't have time for that.
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Do you really think i invest time in a trial when i see the killer is a bubba and refuses to have any sort of gameplay due to poor gamedesign. Aslong as these individuals get more then 0 bloodpoints and a temp ban for doing it 3 times in a row im not wasting my time with such a match. Theres nothing to gain from it no matter if you win or loose.
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It's not players' job to "fix" facecamping Bubba.
It's literallly BHVR jurisdiction to apply changes that needed
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I’d rather look at my perks in the lobby than sit there and do absolutely nothing.
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unfortunately camping bubbas generate salt which is what the player wants. And it’s been four years even if they (bubba) lose they won’t stop playing that way.
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Let it be effective. Let the face camping Bubbas have their fun. Either they'll eventually get bored and stop. Or they'll be the happiest DbD players around. Either way I'm not bothered enough to waste my time on it.
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I will get out the game quickly, because I know what swf done to make more camping bubba come
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This is why solo que is hell for normal ppl.
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Because killers can get value standing still staring at a hooked survivor? Agreed.
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Unfortunately, if Bubba facecamping is a legitimate mechanic, so is killing yourself on hook. Both are implemented in the game. We can't have a double standard here.
And this is just as much the devs' faultt for their inaction, just as is the community's responsibility for defending any kind of gameplay style just because 'it's in the game and they paid for it'.
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You are coming home after school/job. You are tired. You wanna chill and play game. You have not so much time. You are going against Camper Bubba. Yeah this person should stay in this match and waste their time for 2K BPs instead leave and go for better match.
Blame players who don't wanna play against this broken "camper" but don't blame BHVR.
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There are too many players who don't understand holding as much as possible on the hook while the others do gens is the best move to ensure the killer loses.
After a while these guys would give up and try something else.
Maybe there should be points given for that, like for a five gens chase or a self sacrifice to save another.
That being said, camping is a valid tactic as any. It's often the only logical move, albeit not from the beginning of the match. It's only strong because of the entitlement and childish behaviour of these suicide on hooks.
"If the killer camps, do gens and leave."
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I will, thanks.
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I work a full time job, I got no time to spend the next 2-3 minutes being camped to death.
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You are coming home from school / job. You are tired. You wanna chill and play game. You have not so much time. You are going againts Camper Bubba. Your teammate gets cought first and decides to give up or DC. Now you can't even hope for doing a gen(s) and maybe even escape. You are stuck in "gg free lose" match and there is nothing you can do because your teammate gave up. Match is ruined.
I understand what you mean but I can also use this example in my favor too.
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Even your teammate is camping by Bubba, it is still problem. I am not playing this game for "M1 simulator". Chases are fun and makes me play this game. But Bubba deciding kill fun for everyone.
I am not leaving game but i won't blame that people who is leaving.
And BHVR should look this problem as well. I know they won't.
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I would be happy if there is something like 8m radius of hooked Survivor where his chainsaw can't be used to prevent this. To compensate this nerf I would maybe buff his chases or something. Make the chainsaw better in chases but way less oppresive in just camping.
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I love playing against Bubba, he is fun to face. I would not mind buff him but his camp potential is broken and i don't think anything will fix this.
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Camping Bubba + No Way Out + NOED + Deadlock + Whatever you want last one = gg at least 2-3K every match :(
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Address what? Bad players that prefer to end a game quickly instead of taking one for the team?
Hook suicides should be treated as disconnects. Same time out penalty for ruining the rest of the players game.
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IF I see a camping bubba and he hooks someone I run towards him and tell him to kill me Also, and I kill myself at the hook. If everyone does this you don’t see campers. I give him 4k without playing the game. I’m not going to play with this kind of people
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I only do it when my teammates aren't working on gens - no point in my staying to give them extra time if they aren't doing the objective. They can continue hiding hoping to get hatch v Bubba, I'm going to move onto next game.
I don't blame people that do it no matter what their teammates are doing, it's a lose/lose situation for the person on the hook. Either you stick around for 2 minutes and get 0 BP when you could've been out and searching/in new lobby OR you encourage the playstyle because you are giving Bubba a chance to get more kills.
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So why do you even play the game?
Btw, this could count as working with the killer. Which falls under griefing.
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I wouldnt count being stuck with a camping bubba in a trial as gameplay thats an exaggeration, if you give me a bot feature which will do the gens for me i might let the game run in the background as there is only one way of gameplay anway and do something else in that time since it doesnt require individual input from myself otherwise i cant be asked to stay in this boring farming simulator.
Im sorry if i missunderstand this and you wanted to suggest to disconnect as soon as you spot the bubba instead of playing the game a bit and die on the hook then as the better option since its possible even more efficient timewise to get into an actual game instead.
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I play for my own, not for others' sake. Hanging around in basement with bubba (/a killer where it's partically impossible to go for a rescue) in my face isn't in my interest; I gain absolutely nothing. On the contrary: I'm guaranteed to lose in every way. Guaranteed de-pip, potentially lose an item+add-ons and an offering all the while getting virtually no bloodpoints and on top on all of that I'm spending all my time in game timed out. There is zero incentive for me to hang around* - so I usually don't. (The exception being that everyone is aware of what's going on and it's pretty much a guaranteed 3e if I hang on.)
Trying to make a fc/basement bubba (/camping killer in general) "change their ways" is also not my responsibility. Besides, it seems that there are people who genuinely enjoy that kind of playstyle. Which is something I'll never understand - but good for them. Everyone is free to play in a way that brings them joy - and everyone is free to stop playing at any given time if they don't enjoy themselves anymore. Win some, lose some. As someone earlier said: either these bubba-players (/camping killers) get bored and switch things up or they are the happiest players in game cause they always get what they want. Either way is fine by me.
*At least as far as anything bloodpoints related is concerned: if hanging around gave you points in the altruism category and some bp that would already be a good incentive; being safe from de-pipping in most cases & getting at least some bp would not exactly make it feel worth it - but at least not like a complete waste of time and a lose-lose-lose situation either.
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You´re not stuck. You see, thats the whole problem. If you would just hold out on the hook, while your team does gens. Then there is a chance that they complete all gens before you die.
A couple of weeks ago i had a camping bubba. No big deal, i went down first, but kept him busy long enough that 3 gens were completed. Now the other survivors completed another gen, before a David did a hook trade with BT. Bubba did another down while i finished the last gen. 3 survivors escaped (almost 4, but he got me at the exit gate).
All in all a great match. Which wouldn´t have happend if i suicided like some people suggest.
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Unfortunately the only way to be sure people will do that is to exclusively play in a 4man for the rest of your DBD survivor playtime.
Personally I don't give up on hook, and I have Kindred perma-locked in one of my perk slots. Sure does make it extra frustrating when people still hover around the hook for my entire time on there though, but there's usually at least one person trying their best to do gens so I'm more than happy to give them time to work with.
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As a solo player, can you give me a single reason to stay on that hook? Only thing I'd "win" would be a couple good pats on the back from people I probably won't ever see again in my life.
In terms of in game things that I can actually WIN, what will I get? My team mates escaping gives me no bp, me staying on hook gives me no bp because I cant do anything, not even get distraction points.
So with all this in mind, why should I stay on that hook?
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Oh i talk about both sides, i did win vs those i did loose vs those people. These Matches are generic. Even if i would be the teammate who could do the gens and 3 people escape then, i would still dc. Theres no more experience to gain, its pure apathy and boredom. I dont care about bloodpoints or pip, i want an interesting match and see nice plays with skill involved which this isnt, this is no gameplay - its playing tic tac toe vs a mountain goat. I can play minesweeper and it will be more interesting.
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If you dc/suicide the moment a killer camps, then i wouldn´t play at all.
This is how my last match looked. If he wouldn´t have rage quit on the first hook, more people could have escaped.
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Yes, please don't leave. I want to waste 2 minutes of your time, it doesn't work if you die too fast.
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Theres no reason to deflect the topic, this is about camping bubbas, not camping in general. If camping Bubbas were the only thing this game has to offer then yes i wouldnt play it 100%.
What is this screenshot like really - Do you keep screenshots when you have won vs an afk killer as well? Proud to have beaten the gen simulator? Because this is in core a game vs Bubba.
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But the bubba isn´t afk. Otherwise he wouldn´t have downed you and your teammates could have saved you without risking anything.
Suiciding or disconnecting against a camping bubba is just selfish. You ruin the match for your teammates. Even more, when you hold out and your teammates complete all gens, then its most likely, that the bubba barely gets any more points than the survivor he camped. Which will hurt the bubba player. Since he barely got points and depiped.
However, if you disconnect or suicide, than the bubba player will most likely get a 3 or 4k and earn a nice amount of points. Which then encourages this player to continue with this playstyle.
In other words: the more you rage quit, the more camping bubbas you´ll face.
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Bubbas who do this don't care about bp, pips or even winning. You're reasoning in incorrect assumptions, which affects the ensuing conclusions.
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You can see real anger in this thread, people get so upset over pixels. Come guys, its just like being tbagged....
"Don't get so worked up over a video game dude"
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Gifting them a 4k sure will discourage them from continuing playing like this. Just as much as the -rep message on the killers profile.
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Its pretty utopian to think that a Bubba will get no downs within the whole duration of a match and as soon as he gets this the fun begins. Yea safe unhooks in solo q vs Bubba lets rely on that.. you have a dark humor.
Wouldnt necessary agree, people who care about wins play nurse. People who play the camping version of bubba care about ruining the day for other people. It doesnt matter for them if they play low mmr and get a 4k out of new players who want to save their friends in the basement or get a low amount of bloodpoints vs decent players and only make 1k. Im even pretty sure some of them will be stubborn enough to think they have won no matter what the outcome of a game is.
I think its foolish to think that anything you do as a player vs him will change the player count of Bubbas. If theres anything that influences that number then the factor that chases get to less rewarded in high mmr and bubba is the most reliable camping killer.
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So you really think that bubba players power up the game, just to ruin someone elses day?
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Let me rephrase this question for you:
Do you really think, people play camping bubba, to tactical throw the game after the first down, deny most chases which is widly percieved as the only fun part of the game for the players and get a possible cheap 2nd kill in the endgame that will annoy this specific survivor?
I think its a factor to play as bubba for sure for some people. This game has already the highest toxicity factor i have ever seen in a multiplayer and camping bubba players seem to be on the upper end for killer because of their high ignorance about other players fun. I also can't really imagine its fun standing next to a hook the whole match, so the fun must lie in denying other peoples fun. This range of toxicity in my opinion is between passively ruining the fun of other players with this pathetic playstyle to well the maximum hate you can archieve as a killer which surly is a goal for some.
Beside that im pretty sure some new players and midtier players who got bullied might switch to bubba because of his camping efficiency and want to pay back this way.
Also i would appreciate to not start a boring meme diashow and try to keep a halfway good discussion.
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i personally hold on the hook the most i can untill i die against camping bubbas but man is sooooooooo BORING , and i dont get bloodpoints either for being hostage for 10 minutes and giving time to my teammates. also you lose mmr anyway..soo in the other hand i dont blame them , if only there was a bonus for bloodpoint for being camp,,,but it doesnt,
sadly there is people that just waste time spining a pointing the killer instead of doing the gens....soo in that case i just suicide because i know for sure am gonna waste my time for nothing not even playing the game.
camp? no thanks........ let me go to the next game.😑 (thats a good argument for me)
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I´m sorry, but i find it ridiculous at what lengths some people try to justify disconnecting or suiciding, when they don´t like the killer or how the match goes. Imagine killers would do the same. Disconnect the moment they see 4 flashlights, or when 2 gens have popped before they got the first hook. You would sit in a queue, finally get a match only to get kicked back into the lobby after just 2 minutes. Fun right?
No one would play then. Survivors disconnect for reason X and killers for reason Y.
Btw. You stating, that you´ll dc when you see a camping bubba implies, that you enter the match, thinking exactly that.
Disconnecting robs your teammates the chance to have a decent game. There is no excuse to dc and we have the penalty for a good reason.
I´ve seen my fair share of matches, that could have ended in a 3 or 4 man escape but it all went downhill, because 1 survivor decided to dc/suicide. Imagine you disconnect the first match, then the next one another survivor disconnects, the next one a third survivor disconnects at the start, etc. Thats terrible for someone who barely has time to play.
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I actually respect this take for yourself, you have the right thing in mind communitywise but this doesnt help the healthstate of the game in my opinion. Personally i would like to play vs Bubba hes a fun killer to face in chase but aslong as these players dont want to play and win only through a cheap design imbalance that rewards bad and toxic players which gameplay wise spreads frustration and boredom i will keep boycotting this specific design flaw. Im not a selfish person and there are many other small and big issues i sit through in this game but when it goes into trash level game design, i dont deal with this anymore. Punish people as much as you want when you think thats the right way to deal with the design issues of the game but at one point they simply wont come back.
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If I see three people doing gens, sure I'll give them some time.
If I see one person on gens, one looting a chest and another running around looking for their green glyph, then the next lobby is just seconds away. I always have Kindred equipped so there should be no excuse.
I wouldn't really worry about it too much anyway. It's not like that's a real game anyway.
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