Solo Queue Buffs...please

You forgot to start out your post with "as a killer main...."

It should read like this:

"As a killer main, I'm not saying make solo queue OP or anything, but at least bring it up to SWF level."

I have always wondered why BHVR won't do that. The biggest balance issue this game has is because of the disparity between solo queue and SWF. If you try to create balance between SWF and killers the solo queue survivor ends up at a huge disadvantage. If you try to balance between killer and solo queue survivor you end up giving SWF a huge advantage. If you try to create a balance between killer and somewhere in the middle of solo and SWF survivors you end up with survivors and killers still at a disadvantage.

It should be easier to create balance between killers and survivors if you don't have one group of survivors competing at a huge advantage over the others.

Ever since I started running Kindred and Windows, I haven't had problems with solo queue. Sure, I'm not going to escape every game due to getting matched with awful teammates or ragequits occasionally, but how is that any different than being bad at killer and getting paired with swf sweat squads a bit more often than occasionally? If you consistently play smart you'll escape more often than not, even with bad teammates, you just have to be willing to shrug it off when you get stuck in doomed games, just like killer.

Both could certainly use improvements, but I'm not a fan of the "buff solo to swf level, then buff killers!" mindset because, well, this is BHVR. remember the gap between key and mori reworks? the amount of bugs from literal years ago that havent been touched? If you want a staggered upgrade, they'd do one half, wait a year, then say their plans for the other half need to be adjusted for the current balance, then another year, then maybe some changes that don't actually bridge the gap but are made to appease people as if they did.

They need a health chapter to fix bugs, improve performance, and iron out balance. They will never do it, and thus, never give themselves the time and resources they always use as an excuse.

Cool, you're welcome to. I'll keep grinding up like I usually do and getting better with each match instead of begging for the game to get easier for me.

I didn't call you a noob. I just stated that the solution to your issue is literally just to get better at the game. Same advice would apply to a comp player if their issue was the same. The reason I suggested those two perks is because they give you most of the information an SWF can provide, in terms of info, they literally bridge the gap up to comms tier. As stated, the problem with the "buff one, then the other" argument is that BHVR does not, nor will they ever function that way. They have attempted that style of pairity in the past and it took ages to do what ended up being a fix that would have taken 10 minutes to implement.

I didn't intend to be dismissive with my last comment, but you have to understand that the vast majority of survivor complaints are "why would I get better when I can complain and make the game easier for me?" Of course thats not to say killers dont do the same thing (they do frequently,) but in cases like the solo>killer>swf argument the pairity either needs to be done simultaneously, or it needs to start with killer then work back to solo.

I just have a hard time taking the discussion seriously when kindred and windows were both buffed to the moon for this exact reason yet people refuse to use them and demand more.

Generally an exhaustion perk (dead hard or lithe, mainly) and a flex spot. Usually its spine chill, sometimes CoH if i'm salty from a bad game, or whatever perk can help with my currently selected challenge. Yes swf get that information for free, and that has been a problem with swf since the day it was introduced. They will always get unintended information for free through the presence of functioning vocal chords. The thing to keep in mind is that information has a variable impact on different killers, some of whom it can completely nullify their threat.

The game was designed around solo, survivors are supposed to be uncoordinated and constantly valuing selfish vs selfless actions. Thats how it was designed. SWF inherently breaks that design philosophy, and should be the outlier, not the goal. I've seen much better arguments for debuffing swf's based on their number of players vs buffing solo survivors to be able to inherently make killers like ghostface even more powerless than they already are. Killers like pinhead might as well just remove the chain hunt mechanic entirely if everyone has swf tier information at all times, let alone getting it for free without needing to sacrifice even a single perk slot in exchange.

Introducing swf was a case of trying to have cake and eat it too. They've had all these years to try to come up with an answer that would keep everyone satisfied, but like usual, they let it fester for years while building on top of the unstable foundation and the problem becomes harder to correct every 3 months when a new layer gets thrown on top.

Not OP but, I hate survivors, and now I will leave this thread.

well its not like there hasn't been killers in the past that weren't strong. just look at old spirit, old billy and freddy. your pretending like dev have never made strong killers. for some of killer, they simply need revert them. I do agree that they would long time to make weak killers that were not strong into strong killer though.

At the same time, I don't think survivors want stronger killers. survivors don't really want to be challenged. 2-3 hooks is most likely good balance. Many team games have ping systems and in-game UI which improves coordination for team-based games. The lack of one for DBD is game-balance for solo-survivor.

for most of lifespan, DBD balance logic is like: let's just have extremely bad matchmaking for soloQ(before MMR), debuff soloQ by making them completely disorganized as much as possible making most killer look like gods. SWF goes completely unchecked. As a result of killer looking like gods, let's just make all killer powers as underwhelming as possible so they auto-lose to strong swf to counter-balance their dominance on soloq. 1000 IQ gameplay logic.

at least with survivor icons, they're starting in a good spot. they got long way to go though for both killer and survivor.

hey i don't really post much anymore but no one seems to get the real issue.

i don't say this to be rude to anyone and feel free to disagree .

it doesnt matter what they do when i play with my friends i take it serious my boy kenny g on the hook you bet ill get him off safe.

me kenny brad 3 man and your in our lobby all you are at that point is a means to a end we wont be worrying about you.

and i am not saying that to be rude but in the end who are you? o no one important to me o well gg.

remember while its a 1v4 they treat it like a 1v1v1v1v1. so i could know the killer is there and unhook you to force you to be tunneled as a distracion. we dont care if you dont have fun once again your not someone i know nor care about .

im not saying its ok but im being real about it all it takes is one person to do this to people its the nature of pugs.

i wont lie i was in a 2 man one time and a random booned and shortly unhooked brad stealing my save so i made a point to break every totem in spite. they cant force me to help you and there is nothing they can do that would make someone see you as anything more then a means to a end. what solo lacks is the willingness to work together and that cant be forced.

no disrespect intended but its the truth while not all games id say most

I agree for the most part. However I don’t think old billy, spirit or Freddy needed their nerfs.

they did not. I am just saying that for some killers, they don't even need to put any effort to make them strong/viable. just revert their previous changes and they're probably close to competing against SWF. they were already balanced around SWF arguably.

I see what you’re saying, I guess I just feel that’s giving them too much credit. I think it was just coincidence. But yeah, just revert to old forms, it won’t happen though unfortunately.