I've played about 20 matches combined yesterday and today. Every single killer has camped and tunne
Every single one. Huntresses, nurses, Trapper, Hag, all of them camping from 1st hook and then tunneling that hooked player if they can.
Every. Single. Game.
This is one aspect of DBD that needs attention. How a killer can create a downright toxic and horrible experience for a particular player in a match, by camping and tunneling. Intentionally ignoring everyone else, walking around them, to keep tunneling. Even if a teammate stands in front of the killer to try and help, the killer runs around the teammate to keep tunneling. Hooks, then camps again.
This sort of thing needs immediate attention to be fixed.
Did something happen in the past couple weeks I don't know about?
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And do you know that is not against game rules?
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Well if you play and lose without camping, tunneling, or slugging you still get teabagged, gg ez'd and trash talked
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Well
3v1 is easier than 4v1 tbh
And the current survivor meta doesn't help too much if a killer wants to play according to the survivor rulebook
Oh and fyi camping and tunneling are not bannable offenses
https://support.deadbydaylight.com/hc/en-us/articles/4402529064212-What-offenses-are-bannable-
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"Did something happen"
Yeah, it's called "All the killer players who enjoyed playing the game for fun stopped playing." The ones still in the game are the people who get off on the hyper competitive, poorly balanced, unfriendly play that things have devolved into.
If survivors wanted friendly, chill opponents, they wouldn't push for nerfs to mid and bottom tier killers all the time.
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Funny, I get the opposite all the time, whenever I try to go around the unhooked survivor, they just sooooo badly wanna get hit to use their BT, I'm sorry, but if you pull that stuff on me, you clearly wanted my attention, and instead of running the other way, you're back in a chase because of your own doing
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How is stream sniping allowed on that list?
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Today i thought to myself, its been a while since i played more than 1 killer match for the daily. So why not play a couple of rounds as Huntress.
First match: 3 hooks before the first gen was completed. 9 hooks in total = 1k and the survivors called me trash killer after the match. Despite the fact that i didn´t tunnel or camp.
Second match: all gens done by the time i get my 5th hook. The last survivor gets left behind, no rescue attempt. "gg ez" (escaping survivors had less points than the dead survivor.)
I really don´t see what could possibly drive killers to camp and tunnel...
Total mistery to me...
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The devs are not going to ban someone for activity that took place on another platform.
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Eh, I guess that's fair, but isn't it also considered blatant cheating?
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I'm not saying it's not cheating.
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Using secondary, out-of-game programs to gain an in-game advantage that the majority of players do not benefit from is explicitly not against ToS. You can tell, because official DbD platforms have discord channels specifically for setting up Survive With Friends voice chat.
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Every day a survivor complains about it, and every time all the killers are going to tell you that it's a viable, useful and necessary strategy to win.
And if you're complaining about it, you're just really bad, just change your game, and if you weren't using viable survivor perks, or you weren't using the objects, it wouldn't happen to you
It's an endless circle, all survivors have huge concerns about camping and tunneling because it completely blocks the ability of the player, the survivor, to just play the game.
And that, the killers who do it know very well, either because they want to make sure of a kill, or because, as I tell you, they consider it viable because the other survivors will try to come and save you, or simply because they know very well that it really ###### ### the survivor...
I'm at a point, when I'm playing killer, or when I'm camped surviving, that the others don't even come to help the other survivor anymore, because they've come across campers/Tunnels SO MUCH, that they prefer not to risk anymore to lose pips unnecessarily or to have no bloodpoint..
it also reminds me that, as I play with BT precisely to help others in this situation, that the killer targeted me to stand right in front of me, story that I see the color of those eyes, and do not move the time that I die but.. Hey, I had to not take this perk.
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Incompetent to deal with.
Looping on the list makes me more curious
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It should be fixed.
Preferably when loops, maps and gens are fixed.
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Every day a survivor complains about it, and every time all the killers are going to tell you that it's a viable, useful and necessary strategy to win.
And if you're complaining about it, you're just really bad, just change your game, and if you weren't using viable survivor perks, or you weren't using the objects, it wouldn't happen to you
It's an endless circle, all survivors have huge concerns about camping and tunneling because it completely blocks the ability of the player, the survivor, to just play the game.
And that, the killers who do it know very well, either because they want to make sure of a kill, or because, as I tell you, they consider it viable because the other survivors will try to come and save you, or simply because they know very well that it really ###### ### the survivor...
I'm at a point, when I'm playing killer, or when I'm camped surviving, that the others don't even come to help you anymore, because they've come across campers/Tunnels SO MUCH, that they prefer not to risk anymore to lose pips unnecessarily or to have no bloodpoint..
it also reminds me that, as I play with BT precisely to help others in this situation, that the killer targeted me to stand right in front of me, story that I see the color of those eyes, and do not move the time that I die but.. Hey, I had to not take this perk.
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They said they are looking to find a non abusable solution to fix face camping
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Well, yeah. This is how 100% of the matches go now. They're aware of it, they're bleeding players constantly because of it, but they don't care.
They're busy releasing outfits.
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It's a really bad cycle that the devs must hard change in the game to fix it to give a reason for killers to not tunnel or camp, but the way the current game is its the best option killers have.
Gens fly too fast 2 or 3 gens getting done before first down? Better camp and tunnel.
Killer camping or tunneling hard or nothing else you wanna do? Rush gens.
Also the rare idiot that unhooks then immediately hides not taking aggro with the killer very close by and incoming. So the person just got unhooked goes back on hook.
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I have said it in another post. If you see a camper tunneler go to him and let him kill you. You only lost 1 minute and find another match.. there are a lot of fair and good killers out there.
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I don't think his point was it's against game rules. His point was that it's not fun as infinite loops, RPD, 4 BNP, etc isn't fun for killer. It's also part of the reason why DvD has been bleeding players with MMR. MMR brings a lot of problems to the surface that were masked before with the Emblem system having so many lopsided matches.
As well, the Emblem system encouraged more fun gameplay because if you just facecamped at 5 gens you'd never hit Rank 1. So, for all the streamers to impress their viewers with their Rank 1 they needed to have multiple chases, hooks, etc. Since MMR only focuses on kills and escapes that's all you get now and the most efficient way to win is tunneling, camping and stacking slowdowns. The way to counter that is not fun on the survivor side either.
MMR is only a good fit for an asymmetrical game if the game mechanics reward fun gamestyles. Currently, DbD's game mechanics don't and, while the devs are improving MMR, the only way to really fix MMR, in my opinion, is to fix game mechanics so fun gameplay is incentivized. Until then, MMR will have structural flaws that hinder the point of a video game which is enjoyment.
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Would rather try to make it 3 man instead of 4 man since the generator repairs are already fast. Good for you if you hold mouse 1 and repair gens all the way while I tunnel. I hope you enjoy the game :D
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The devs dont care about camping or tunneling. If anything they encourage it.
Think about it.
Youre telling me a group of game devs sat around a board room and came up with a core game mechanic that takes one or more players out of the game and allows for the opposing player/team to completely stall all gameplay and keep one or more players out of the game until they die and not one of them said "seems flawed..."?
Of course they know it's a flawed mechanic. Game's been out for like 6 years.
That's why every seasoned survivor player runs the same perks all the time, but then you see killer players complaining about survivors running the same perks all the time.
I wouldnt be surprised if they introduced a perk or killer power that starts x amount of survivors on a hook at the start of the match at this point.
That's why this game is boring and toxic.
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Hooking survivors needs to make them weaker, not keep them just as strong as untouched survivors. If you don't want to be removed from the game, give the killers a reason not to get the game down to 3 as fast as possible.
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DBD players when people use a strategy the devs acknowledge and balance around on purpose:
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Tunneling in particular is actively encouraged by the devs. When they announced that MMR for a Killer is based solely on the number of kills they get in a match, they made it very clear that only kills matter and therefore any tactic that enhances the number of kills is optimal. Tunnelling takes players out of the match not only increasing the killer's MMR but making their job easier by reducing the odds against them.
So if you don't like tunnelling in particular - talk to the devs.
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I've played ~35 or so Trials as Artist the last couple of days. Survivors did Generators, please ban them!
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aren't you guy that said killer need to be weaker? Like bubba needs to be weaker or something?
Imagine complaining about proxy camping and tunneling but then asking killers to be weaker so they lose more often for your amusement.
How's feel to be on receiving end for survivor? expect killer to camp/tunnel more the more they feel like they'll lose every single match by not doing so.
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Sure, in fact it was 100 matches. Or even more. 1000.
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It's really bad. Killers need to be stronger without having to resort to ruining the game for the first person they see. The devs don't seem to care though. I guess they make money either way. No idea why any killer would actively want to camp off of first hook unless the match actually called for it, it's always boring despite the role you're queuing up for.
Whether you're hard tunneling or getting tunneled I suggest playing a different game for a while. DBD simply isn't fun over long periods of time.
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Welcome to Dead By Daylight. Where killers will ruin the game for a single surv as a totes valid strat, then complain about how sweaty their games are getting lol. The only current answer is just run meta perks. DS, Unbreakable, BT. Anything anti-tunnel or anti-camp.
If you're getting tunneled a lot, try DS and Parental Guidance + Unbreakable and Soul Guard maybe.
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Killer played nice... gotta sit at the exit gate and tea bag or waste their time with pity hits.
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Wait I thought letting the killer hit you out was a nice thing cuz it gives them points.
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Anyone is more then welcome to play however they want in this game. As stated by the proper rules outlined by the developers.
However as a killer, players must understand that using certain strategies, will not be treated with respect. I don't mind losing to a competitive Nurse, even if they are sweaty, because I recognise their skill, and can appreciate that, even if I am not playing as serious. However even if I were to survive against a killer that camp/tunnels. I know that killer is ruining the enjoyment of a player, its not a good mindset. Some players will say "Its not my reasonability to make sure everyone else is having fun." If everybody has this mindset, then I and many people would stop playing this game immediately.
Anyone can play killer however they want, however don't be surprised that if you play in a way that spreads negativity, if some of that negativity come back at you.
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It's just that it's only 200 BP, that's nothing compared to wrapping the game and going into another. To me it's like a survivor that just sits at the hatch, they don't want to just leave. They want you to watch them leave.
Just end the game already.
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Aw alright! I didn't know that
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Well based on the fact that its happening in matches you are in it might be you progressing the state of the game too fast for the killers liking so they feel the need to do so to secure a win, granted some might do it before this but often if they don't have enough pressure when they would like thats one of the first strategies the fall back on
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Sounds like you have sweaty games
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When will people finally realize that the people working on outfits aren't the same that work on gameplay and bugs? These guys aren't mostly able to fix a bug because they are artist not programmers
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Not when dodging those hits even with dead hard became the standard. Petty until the end half the time.
Even without any camping or tunneling.
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I can't tell you how many times I've tried to tell people this. There are people that genuinely believe that BHVR completely halting all cosmetic releases will somehow speed up bug fixes etc. It's maddening.
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It's like this people think they just fire the whole art department to get more programmers (as if that would make it faster or better) and when a new killer gets designed all programmers get fired for new art people
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I've never seen a tunnel me daddy account but have seen plenty of daddy meyers types.
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Devs like to ignore this matter for years. Speaking about survivorsided, huh?
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I don't think people truly think that but with all the resources they put into cosmetics they could move that time and money into fixing the game.
Back on topic there will alway be people that will just camp and tunnel, but the rise of it happening does tell about the state of the game. There is way to fix things but it would cause a Survivor riot, and that is nerf the hell out of them.
The Killer needs more time and the way Survivors are right now doesn't give it to them.
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Sure they put resources in cosmetics but that's the budget for the art department putting funds from there to fix the game meaning more/better programmers would mean people getting fired
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This is always the go-to response, and it falls flat every time someone posts it. In-game behavior doesn't have to be against the rules to be considered problematic or unhealthy. The existing game doesn't compellingly discourage tunneling or camping, and the so-called remedial perks aren't that effective either - assuming people have them equipped. They are circumvented easily by The Killer.
Tunneling and camping are easy, advantageous, and effective, so why wouldn't players do them?
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Gee, I wonder why.
Yesterday I've played a few matches as killer. I hadn't played for a few days. I was simply trying to keep the muscle memory for the blinks and the hatchets so I didn't care much about the results and was only chasing the most interesting players.
In one game however I emphatically didn't tunnel and camp. Even when the game was over and there was only one survivor alive beside the one I've just hooked I went away. What did I got for my trouble? Macro-clicking and insults in the chat. I was a bit surprised since how gently I've played. (It's always from the most incompetent player. Always.) Sometimes I forget this lesson. Next time I'll only show mercy to the last slug, if even that.
Ah well, back to tunneling and camping, whatever is more efficient.
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I read the entire OP.
When exactly did he/she say that it is against the rules?
Camping needs to be looked at not because it's against the rules, but because it is an unbalanced playstyle.
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How many matches did that happen in? 20? Like the OP described?
Also, trash talking and flashlight clicking does not gain you an advantage over the match. Camping and Tunneling does.
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It is a nice thing. It's just quite often not worth it but the survivors doing it quite often don't know it's not worth it. If they Dead Hard, though, they're just being jerks. If they walk through just as you're about to hit them it could still be them being nice but you don't see exactly where you escape as a survivor so they could have just stepped a bit too far by accident. If they DH, though, that's just being childish.
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