The future of BBQ
Please just keep the bp bonus for hooks, I don't care if you remove the aura reading. Just k e e p the bp for the love of god.
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Or they could just make the bp gains from bbq and wglf basekit. It's kind of silly that we have to run a perk to get more bps.
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Or this, that I agree with. I just don't see why BBQ is so problematic that it needs to be reworked entirely
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BP Bonus turned into an actual base mechanic, Perk turned into a Scourge Hook Perk that shows you everyone else's location no matter the distance.
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Don't we already have that? its an onryo perk im pretty sure
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That one activates when someone is taken off of a scourge hook. This one would activate when someone is placed onto the scourge hook.
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If I were them, I'd absolutely make that part basekit. Hell, I don't think they'd even need to touch BBQ after that- it'd be a nice tool for mid-game tracking, but it definitely wouldn't be used as frequently as it is now.
Though, the reason it needs to be touched is because it's overrepresented and they want to shake up the meta. That means things get changed, even if they're okay in a vacuum.
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I actually agree entirely with your first statement. If it were made basekit it would incentivise going after everyone, not just you know, camping one.
However, If BBQ isn't meta defining, just used for the BP wouldn't that make it fine? Like I understand its used a lot but maybe its because of the BP bonus, not simply the aura reading which, again, is still not overtuned. its not really fair imo
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That would STILL make BBQ another useless perk in an ocean of worthless perks.
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It is meta defining. It's one of the most used perks, making it by definition a meta perk. If you want to change the meta, you have to change the meta perks, even the ones that aren't actually causing any problems on their own.
But like I said, if I were them I wouldn't bother changing it beyond just taking the extra BP off it and making that basekit. That seems like the most logical choice to me, and I'm sure that's at least been discussed at BHVR.
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No. Barbecue does not define the meta. Maybe it defines the BP farm meta, but that is not the meta of the game. I guess from a certain point of view, lol.
The problem with nerfing off meta perks that have high pickrates is that you would REINFORCE the actual meta. It makes the problem objectively worse.
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If it's got a high pickrate, it is part of the meta. The meta isn't just the strongest stuff hypothetically, it's functionally the stuff that people use to be the most effective. That means it provides the value people want and it provides it more easily/consistently than other tools.
BBQ is meta. The value it provides is for bloodpoints farming.
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I want more perks that give bp bonuses for a variety of gameplay behaviors, especially those that promote good sportsmanship.
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If you remove the BP bonus from BBQ, the perk is in the bin, totally.
But yeah, making the BP effects of BBQ and WGLF basekit makes a lot of sense.
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I don't really see a need to change it.
It does exactly what survivors ask for and moves the killer away from a fresh hook, has counters without using a perk slot, and is only beneficial when the killer can succeed at getting the down against survivors ignoring counterplay.
BBQ is popular because of the grind, remove/reduce that and the pick rate would likely drop with no change necessary.
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The change they may do to BBQ, or to competitors of BBQ, among others, will tell us if we can still have hopes for the game or not.
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I'd be fine with bbq getting changed, as long as the bonus bp is basekit
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I hope they keep the aura reading
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Right but, does being a very balanced perk suddenly mean you HAVE to change it? are people that sick of BBQ that they want it to be changed entirely?
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If the problem you want to solve is that everyone brings the same handful of perks into every match, properly solving that problem is going to require changing those perks.
That being said, I still maintain that I don't think they really are going to change BBQ beyond making its BP bonus basekit. That alone will drop its pickrate to something healthier.
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Keep in mind the new Prestige system is significantly reducing the grind for perks. And once you have the perks you want unlocked there is much, much less use for bloodpoint increasing effects.
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...Yeah? That's the goal.
They want a new meta. That's quite explicitly what they're trying to achieve here.
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People are always going to use the best tools available, that's why a meta forms in the first place. What an ongoing game like DBD can do is make sure there are a lot of viable options, and to tweak things whenever it gets too stale.
No game developer can stop a meta from forming, but they can stop it from getting too stale. Hence their current attempt at nuking this meta and letting a new one form, hopefully one that's a little less restrictive and stale.
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They never explicitly said BBQ was problematic. It just caught their attention as it’s one of the most used perks. If their “we’re also looking into why the perks are meta” is anything to go off of, they’ll find that players often use it solely because of the BP bonus. That way, they may find they can leave BBQ alone or, as mentioned, make its BP bonus basekit and leave the rest of the perk alone.
I hope, anyway.
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BBQ and Chili is known to be a very mediocre perk. If you have all the perks and all the addons, why would you ever run BBQ over perks like Bitter Murmur, Nurses Calling or even Sloppy Butcher? Those effects are objectively better.
So I dont think BBQ is gonna get nerfed, I think, like some others have stated, that the BP bonus is going to be basekit. Which(hopefully) also makes WGLF bp bonus basekit. I think BBQ is even going to see a slight buff after that, as 4 seconds is very minor and is easily countered by sitting behind a gen. So my guess is that BBQ is going to give 4 seconds of killer instinct together with 4 seconds of aura reading.
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I think Make Your Choice in combination with Scourge Floods of Rage is much better for Nurse tho.
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The bloodpoint component of BBQ and WGLF I fully expect to be implemented into the base game with their other effects just staying at the perks themselves.
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