Why Do Survivors Hate Facing Trickster?
It's...weird to me. He's not a strong killer (Huntress and Slinger are way scarier).
About all I can think of is that Tricksters are often insanely toxic - but that's way more true of Bubbas and Doctors.
Is there something I'm missing?
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They can't stand on the other side of a pallet or low wall loop and tbag.
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Yeah, I don't know. I don't mind facing him at all, unless he's camping (but that's true of a lot of killers) but I get DCd on constantly the second people see it's Trickster.
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I can only think of two things:
Most Tricksters run the bouncing knife add on which makes his power feel spammy
He extremely effective proxying or hard camping hooks in dead zones or inside of 3 gens. That's certainly the way I play him. And he's not very strong elsewhere. Hard countered by pre-dropped high wall tiles.
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A)very feast/famine killer
B) game play pattern is boring. hit 2-3 knives, get to the next area, repeat until health state secured
C) pop korean musicians have no place in horror according to some people
D) he trips some peoples gaydar, so he makes some people irrationally angry but they won't admit it openly
those are the most common ones I see.
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Mm. I play a roaming Trickster, as I find he can get hooks fairly consistently (it can take a while, but they're going down eventually) with Pain Resonance.
The weird thing is that I play a lot of killers that can camp better than Trickster - Hag, for example, and I still see maybe twice as many DCs on Trickster.
A. Yeah, but I'm not sure why that makes him hated.
B. I find there's actually a lot of nuance to playing him well, as knives can slip through all sorts of gaps.
C. Yeah, he does stick out a bit. It felt like he started as a Joker reference, but someone decided 'hey, let's make him a K-Pop idol' and it all went downhill from there.
D. He's glam :) Never been sure why people associate glam rock style as anything less than manly as hell.
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His aesthetic and his power. Easy mode Huntress, with backup Main Event camping always a possibility just in case.
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Huh. I find Huntress way scarier, and often a better camper. She's also a million times easier to play, due to her hatchets having a much more generous hitbox and you can chew through healthstates.
Trickster is devastating in open fields or long corridors, and that's about it.
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Very uninteractive game play.
You just hug walls but no matter how tight you hug you will slowly eat a knife or two here and there so you're guarenteed to go down.
So the survivor doesn't have fun because they will go down regardless of what they do but the Trickster also doesn't have fun because even though he's gonna get the down it's going to take too long so it loses him the game anyway.
This leads to neither side having much fun.
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Aside from iri head (which limits her to one hatchet at a time), she can only get up to one possible health state with a cool down. Trickster? Depending on how many blades he has and his closeness to Main Event, the camping value ceiling is pretty high. No cool down between injuries, plenty of forgiveness for missing, etc, etc.
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This.
I'm still surprised that they really went through with this power even though they could've done so much more with a KPOP killer. AOE effect? Music? Nah, just some knives.
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Please stop with that. That is absolutely not the reason. He’s just boring to face, that’s all. It has nothing to do with if he’s OP or not, because he certainly isn’t. Huntress is way stronger but isn’t a chore to go against.
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Because they don't know how to run to taller loops to basically invalidate his power.
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This. Also as someone else said it’s feast or famine for Trickster and his opponents. Not engaging. Dodging Huntress and Deathslinger on the other hand is engaging even if they are more powerful.
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It's so sad, given that I recently bought him and I'm finding playing as him so much fun. But I can admit he's TOO dominant on some maps, especially the ones with loads of short loops (even though he can get completely stomped in all the others). He's also one of those killers who you just accept that you'll get injured soon no matter what you do because he can spam knives mindlessly and is bound to almost always hit enough of the 44 to injure you.
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There's not really opportunity for meaningful counterplay.
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Survivors only like playing against killers they can loop for 5 gens and teabag
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Survivors tend to DC and whine on killers they don't want to learn how to play against.
I watch few Trickster mains streamers and it's hard to see a game where people don't dc on sight of them.
but it's not only for him, many Bubba/Doctor games start with 1-2 DCs just because people didn't get a killer they can loop for 5 gen and then BM into oblivion.
Their weak excuse it that they're boring to play against. Do you think that facing the same 4 perks on survivors 24/7 isn't boring? Suck it up and learn to play.
Then there's that smaller part of community that bashes Trickster just for his appearance, cuz he's pretty and colorful and "doesn't fit", when they proceed to jump around as bunny Fengs. Hypocrite much.
I don't play Trickster (yet), but i find watching and facing them really enjoyable. I just wish that whenever my solo Q throws me into the game with swf vs Trickster, they wouldn't dc together just because they don't like the killer
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I hate playing against trickster... But I'm a trickster main.
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Because of the "you're going to go down it's just going to take a minute or two" gameplay.
It sucked when Old Legion did it, it sucks now. It's not as bad, but it's still not great.
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People still play trickster??? I haven't seen one in ages :/
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Trickster is a flashy murderous kpop star that looks hot so of course lot of people try to play him.
Unfortunately Trickster has a very high skill floor so most play cheap and proxy/face camp and it works well for Trickster.
Those kinds of Tricksters ruin the fun for survivors. A part of me wishes BHVR would find a way to make camping not so effective for him.
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Very binary in chase. You either get a loop where you stomp him or one where you get stomped. Even then, you will inevitably go down as a death by thousand cut instead of a distinctly well executed play.
Then, he's one of the best campers in the game hands-down.
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His knives speed are too fast to think of an escape route, loop etc.
I still find it difficult to play against a good Trickster.
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Because survivors hate ranged killers
They'd rather face baby sadako all day long than a decent trickster/deathslinger/huntress
Because, you know, the tbag, the "meme" at the expand of the killer player
I always get insulted one way or another when i play these killers "camper, tunneler, noob, toxic"
Oh and basically, trickster nullify dead hard so it reminds them that they arent actually good without dh
Imho
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Yes, you have to play really mean to get anywhere with Trickster.
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If that were true, survivors would absolutely despise Huntess and Slinger.
The primary reason people dislike Trickster is simply that he’s just very dull to face and annoying to play as.
But keep up the us vs them, that’ll definitely not cause anymosity.
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Oh you mean... like complain a lot to get a b tier killer nerfed because it wasnt fun to face ? Yeah that would really be terrible. Oh wait did anyone said deathslinger ?
Guess what, i had a lot of fun with deathslinger and i have a lot of fun with trickster so dont "people dpnt like to play as"
Survivors despise facing ranged killers and thats a fact you cant deny
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44 knives to spam at you, no matter what you do you're pretty much guaranteed to go down. If you're in the open you are getting downed instantly, if you're at windows you'll slowly eat knives until injured then run to the next tile and slowly eat knives again. If you're at a pallet with short wall you're stuffed, you can try and duck but it's not going to take long until you're downed. It's the definition of holding W for as long as you can until you inevitably go down.
Basically an annoying killer to face.
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I don't like going against him because every time either my teammate give up or i get face camped. I have nothing against the killer himself, but it's starting to become boring when it happen every time.
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Yeah it's really strange they didn't make him more about his music and using the screams of survivors to influence his power similar to Oni rather then having a version of Huntress or Deathslinger that is more spammy and makes zero sense for the character. Things like hits or hooks would influence his power thus encouraging him not to camp (people don't scream much on a hook).
What it actually does I dunno but it could have some effect with the terror radius similar to Doctor as he plays tunes to freak out the survivors or give himself a buff of some kind. Having him basically be an Oni/Doctor blend wouldn't be 'great' so the effect shouldn't be screaming but some other form of debuff.
I mean it's easy to say something is crap but designing something good, engaging and also not something that can get looped for 5 gens is not easy.
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Most of my points have already been raised but I'd like to take a moment to remind everyone that strength and fun are not mutually exclusive. You can have good, fun killers (Oni, Billy), and weak, unfun killers (Trickster, Slinger). You can have bad, fun killers (Sadako, Wraith) and good, unfun killers too (Nurse, EU Blight players)
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I would rather VS Huntress, despite her being objectively stronger, because I am able to implement skill and game knowledge to avoid hits. Even if it is much harder, it feels far more rewarding.
As oppose to trickster, whose only real counter is to use the fact that he is a 110 killer to pick a direction and keep running. Looping at pallets actually gives him the advantage. So yes he is easier to beat, but is far less rewarding. Also he is very easy to play, making it difficult me to respect tricksters. Killers who can't play Huntress, play Trickster.
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I would rather play vs 10 nurses than 1 trickster. Strength is not important in fun factor at all
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He’s just annoying af.
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I mean this forum users hate Nurse saying she is "uncounterable".
And hate Blight because nowadays many people play him and say his addons are "busted"
Now Trickster? Do any of you think he's near either of them?
Boring to go against? What a lame excuse.
What about saying nerf all killer with that logic? Seriously.
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Well it is what survivors wants with legion and trickster, just as they did with deathslinger
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Yes, he is not strong, that's true. It's not the concept of the killer itself that I don't like either. It's more the way most people play the trickster that annoys me. Face camping, proximity camping and tunneling. Same goes for huntress.
Good point.
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I can not believe that you think trickster is harder than huntress.
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Honestly he's just boring ? I mean I literally just launched DBD expecting to play for a couple of hours, had two tricksters games in a row and closed the game. They weren't playing particularly sweaty, I escaped both times along with most of teammates and had a couple of decent chases but those two games were enough to bore me into closing the game.
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I'd argue it is probably due to map design and how it could potentially complement or destroy his power. If the map has a lot of dead zones, his power is significantly stronger and survivors feel weak to face against him because his time to down immensely quick in those situations. However, if the map spawns a ton of high walls and weirdly structured rocks, Trickster takes a ton of time trying to, if he can, down the survivor in these situations. He also punishes altruism quite easily which could be difficult to face against. Like when facing Legion, you kind of need to spread out to avoid having multiple downs or injures in an area. However, his ability to shut down altruism sadly makes him a good pick for campers and gives him a bad rep.
I still play him because I think he is both fun to play as and against, but I may be one of many. I personally think he has interactive chase gameplay as you loop quite differently with him than with others, but I feel the map type can either enhance or diminish this feeling.
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The frustrating part about Trickster is not his strength. It's the fact that if you vault a window you're dead, fake the window you're dead, vault a pallet you're dead, fake the pallet you're dead, drop a pallet you're dead, run through a pallet you're dead, being in the open you're dead, being at a short loop you're dead.
And if he misses a few knives, no biggie because he has 5 million more. Even tho he's a 4.4 killer, you don't really outrun a Trickster if you happen to be caught at the wrong place. There is no real counterplay to him. I mean sure, you can break LOS and hold W. But how fun is that?
And the most annoying part... He's laughing at me...
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Easy mode Huntress? By most accounts he’s statistically worse than Huntress.
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I don’t get it, all killers get you down eventually. If a killer can’t get you down eventually then they’d obviously not be good enough mechanically to be in the game. And from what I can tell good Deathslingers and Huntresses get you down even more quickly.
Is he “boring” to go against because he can’t actually down people really quickly?
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I don't really understand the issue. Having to run trickster differently hardly sets him apart from the multitude of killers who have to be treated as a special case in chase. I find the idea that people are out here trying to just make an off-the-cuff statement that nobody enjoys playing him even more farcical. While I know it's ultimately subjective and I want to respect their opinions, I can't help but suspect the motives of the people offering up those arguments. Maybe there's some scourge of basement tricksters out there that I've never encountered.
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He is weak, garbage, boring and annoying killer to face. Games against him are unfun.
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What's your point even? Oni, huntress and plague are strong killers too and nobody or very few complain about them. Your argument doesn't make sense at all, it's just pointless generalization and whataboutism
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A lot of the same reasons people hate Bubba:
If you're in the open against this killer, you're basically dead before you make it anywhere
If they decide to camp you, it's very hard to get out of the situation if you're the one hooked. Basement is super strong for this killer when main event is involved.
Without certain perks some tiles are very hard for them to win, which is why some Trickster's run Bamboozle (A perk that some people really do not like)
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Every trickster I come across plays as dirty as possible. Not saying they can't, but why continue a game like that?
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as a killer main is not skillful at all getting a down on somebody by a killer that is just spaming m2 untill you go down at any loop (if the loop is not taller) , knife spamming is boring for both sides. (trickster can pretty much down even a insane god survivor with almost no effort if you just follow get a couple of knifes on the survivor repeat over and over , YES , it takes time but that it you just OUTPLAYED the survivor by spamming knifes only............. good for you.
other than that i think his cool in terms of skin design , but his gameplay is just ....BRUH.
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Projectiles as a main form of attack is incredibly aggrivating, given that killers already have a speed boost and such
other than that though i think hes pretty fun to verse for the most part
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