SWF Will Never Be Nerfed Or Removed

They already talked in January about helping solo survivors to bring them on par with swfs. One thing they said was being worked on was additional HUD icons for survivors that show what their allies are doing (working on a gen, being chased, etc) so solo survivors would have some of the information they might get from comms. They haven't mentioned what's going on with that since so I don't know if it's still in the pipeline or something happened with it that put that on hold.

Either way they have explicitly talked about improving solo survivor play to help even the playing field.

You’re correct. Behaviour will never touch swf. Too much money is involved and it would basically be suicide to mess with it.

It’s not too much of a problem as long as they leave Nurse and Blight alone for killer mains to fall back on in order to stand a chance. They just need to make sure MMR keeps the top sweaty players in their own pool and not have top tier nurses obliterate potatoes like me or sweaty swfs bully mediocre killer players.

Unfortunately, the current matchmaking still needs work. It’ll probably be better in six more years.

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If you dont understand the power of swf and communication, try it.

I play only solo survivor, but i used to play swf. The amount on information you get is crazy. For example, take a stealth killer. You know you dont have to worry, because the one guy in a chase - even if he is just average at chasing - will just run him away from the position you are doing gens at.

Also, you know where people have checked for that damn ruin-totem, and everyone can just check one corner of the map, making it very efficient.

you next to never find yourself in deadland, because you know where your teammates threw pallets down, so you know which areas to avoid (a simple "shack pallet is gone" is a lot of information).

How often did you have the situation where there is only one gen to fix, but the survivors were on 3 different gens while the last was in a chase. How often did that happen with swf on comms?

Also, even if the killer is just preparing, OoO basicly works for the whole team, as well as every one having kindred without running it.

So, you were hit, have exhausted your perks and need a moment to refresh? Well, here are your teammate you signaled that either just takes a hit for you or even takes over the chase. In a good team thats basicly unlimited health states.

Even if your team is just doing gens while you are in a chase, what happens if you spot a hex totem on your chase? As solos survivor, nothing. In an swf on comms? Its gone in 30 seconds.

So let us reevaluate the Question "but how much does that really help?" My experience says: "a lot".

To be precise, there are not 3 sides to balance, but at least 4. There are SFW groups with and without comms. SWF without comms are still stronger than solo survivors and they play in a different way, more altruistic, less egoistic and use more meta-perks. They also know each other's playstyles, for example some are good loopers and try to waste killer's time while others just do gens at that time.

I hope BHVR didn't scrap the idea of adding mode HUD icons, that's the only realistic solution for buffing soloQ.

Increasing the MMR of SWF isn't a solution, because not every SWF is better than their solo players.

I have much better games solo than I do with my friends, because we play for fun, not to win. We regularly distract each other or drop the ball via insufficient communication, which can sometimes be worse than none. "You said the killer was on you!" "Whoops sorry that was 10 seconds ago."

And then there's the friends I don't use discord with, in which it's virtually no different to solo play anyway.

SWF gives the opportunity for better communication, it's not guaranteed.

This is why the only solution to the SWF problem is to give all players better info/communication tools that are redundant to voice chat. Ping systems, more detailed portrait options that indicate what your team mates are doing, etc. Then by lifting up solo players (and bad SWFs) closer to that of a 'good' SWF, you can buff killers accordingly.

I find it interesting when people say stuff like "oh otz's survivors are kinda bad", but like, I see no difference between his, tofu's, dowsey's, tru3's, coco, ralph, (insert other streamer here).

I think people who determine themselves to be high mmr silly most of the time (as we all know, it's hidden) but I think we can be 10000% confident otz is at the cap and his survivors, unless the system is figuring out where to place a new player, is pretty indicative of both the soft cap and hard cap. I think the thing with otz is that he handles things pretty gracefully and confidentaly, so people see him dominate survivors with say, trapper with a few ######### perks, but forget is one of the best killers in the game, so realtive to the survivors, a survivor might not seem that good. But also, like, otz has lost plenty of times to good survivors and survivor teams too

I think we as a community are quick to judge the skill of a killer or survivor based on a single bad match they had - just because someone got killed doesn't mean they are a bad survivor, and a killer who struggled to get someone down or missed hatches or kept screwing up blinks doesn't make them a bad killer - there are lots of factors that go into a match both on like a digital and phsyical/emotional level that can completely change the outcome of the match and it just kinda bugs me when people criticize a survivor they saw for one single match one time on a stream - and hindsight is always 20/20 and it's easier to judge as a viewer and when you are not the one who is actually playing.

Thank you. Everytime I see someone say something along the lines of "Okay they need to remove SWF or give SWF a penalty like slower gens." I just kinda laugh because I couldn't imagine being known as the game that punished people for playing with their friends.

80% of swfs aren't as sweaty as people say. Whenever I played in a swf, we were not sweaty. We were just messing around. Hell, I was DISTRACTED most of the time because we were just cracking jokes and being silly.

Boom. I've been saying this for months.

I don't think it'd take that long at all. I mean, we already know they're working on buffing solo queue.

Simply knowing what everyone else is doing is huge. You know:

--When the Killer is chasing a non-obsession (meaning you're safe to do whatever).

--Where the Killer is if at least one of you can see them.

--Where all generators are, and which one needs some work.

--Where totems are if at least one of you has seen it.

--Where injured allies are.

--Which gate is open, or nearly open.

I mean.....that's the effects of Kindred, Empathy, Empathic Connection, Detective's Hunch, Deja Vu, Object of Obsession, Plunderer's Instinct, Dark Sense, Situational Awareness and probably a few others I missed. For free, all the time. It's why my chosen partial fix would be that SWF squads get one less perk slot each.

Also, there are some killers who have their main ability become much less effective. For example the Cenobite is weakened a lot if they can coordinate who's going for the box and tell each other "He's chasing me, do it now."