You guys feed this vicious cycle
To preface this post because people are confused: camping and tunneling, rushing and bullying all suck.
This community needs to stop complaining. You do it to yourselves. You guys would complain about killers camping and tunneling then rush all the gens on chill killer with 5 flan in play. You wonder why people play like this, the tunnel camp and rushing, then complain on here without the foresight that maybe they are dealing with the same bs from the other side.
The game that made me make this was a 3k with 5 hooks because i ran a chill build and was down to play nice, but the gens were practically done in less then 3-4 mins. I didnt count so it could be hyperbole but 4 were done at my second hook which were fast downs. So then i have to play mean or i dont get anything out it. What do they get for the rush? Less points and a short match. Just as bad as the slugging nurse or 4 man bully squad.
I dont have a fix for this I'm just venting at this point. The devs incentivize this playstyle with the way mmr is built, and to me that vicious cycle. Now because of that match. I'm done with the chill builds and nice playstyle. Theres just no point with all the sweats out during this event.
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You, one side, specifically, are feeding this vicious cycle.
Not helping, dude.
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Does "vicious cycle" even exists in this game which almost made that way
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Reading comp dude. I called out the slugging nurses and didnt glorify camping and tunneling. I dont enjoy that stuff either. It is my perspective at the moment.
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Yes, your afterthought is equal to the rest of your post.
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Killer start badly in early game can make a comeback in end game, can be Noed, success baiting for Blood warden, or survivors being too confident and make major mistake. Killer can make a 4K with 4 hooks: 33% objective.
Survivors have to finish 5 Gen every single match for more than 1 survivor to escape. One survivor dies early game, its the end for them.
Camping,tunneling,Gen rushing were always real problems with the gameplay. I cant wait to see what Devs going to change with the core game.
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Most everybody, specifically Killers, have all ‘tried’ in one way or another to ‘play nice’ but we all reach the realization that it holds less value. So you have to make dirty decisions to make a profit from your time and experiences in game.
The game rewards punishing each other, to not do so is certainly nice and makes the game more enjoyable for both sides but then you don’t reap the reward for playing.
When we hit the crossroads, many of us begin to feed the cycle and justify our actions internally, but some others are able to rise above it and let go of the mentality of ‘needing’ to earn as much BP as possible. These people can truly just enjoy the game without winning/losing, claiming Kills, or camping/tunneling.
I didn’t like the feeling of letting everyone escape, or not earning that juicy BP, I didn’t like the disrespect I was shown by survivors…so I’ve chosen violence. I mean, not now with all the flan burning but I’m no stranger to hard tunneling one person out ASAP and bringing in NOED+No Way Out.
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Yeah but what can they do at this point it feels like they double down on that meta with perk set release. Heres hoping the 39 perk rework can help this a bit.
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Yes and that mentality is an issue but who can blame them with the community playing like they are.
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I heard that they will make a change to core gameplay, but Im not sure.
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OP if you don't have thick skin, you should not play killer. I can give you list of literally dozens of things that make this game so unbalanced it's unreal. Simple truth is this: If survivors want to, they will win every game in 5 minutes. You either have fun learning new mindgames and having chases, discovering little nuances ect or you will have terrible time as killer. Even Nurse or Spirit are genrushed super easily.
3-4 minutes is actually a normal gen time. It's up to survivors to make mistakes, not up to killer to make plays and it is sad.
I don't even blame the survivors, because if you play soloq, the majority of the times you will be the only person that actually do ANYTHING. I run Kindred every game so I get to see how 'usefull' most teammates are. If killer camps, noone will touch a gen, they will just crouch near hook, then rush and get grabbed at the very last second. So survivors with brains notice this and actually do gens. These people who actually do gens and play somewhat smart rank up way faster and at some point these are majority of people you will face. Again, I don't blame these people, they just want to have chance, but at this point the whole team is composed of only this kind of players. And so you get genrushed unless you are god at the game.
Game is balanced around survivors halfassing it. After Dead Hard (literally the most problematic perk in game) buffs and hit validation being a thing I simply no longer play killer. Like what is the point if I make 3 correct reads in a row and then luckily get 50-50 right for them to press E too late and still be safe? If you slap meta perks on survivor who is even somewhat decent there is no point in even chasing them on a bad map.
The biggest 'problem' is that community over all got better at the game.
Camping and tunneling - just one of strats, completely shat on by perks like Kindred.
Generators - literally only objective survivors have... I don't see a point in getting mad on survivors who literally do what they are meant to. There is even nothing you can do to punish a survivor if you think he is toxic or something like this. Tunnel and camp him? Ok, by the time he goes down you gave him so many points with the chase that it is already worth for them (not to mention that chases are the most fun part of the game for survivors anyway). They will most likely get saved by 16 crutch perks they brough. If not, they might go down in rank... just to have even easier game next time. No matter what you do, you loose. So I just don't play killer :).
Edit: @Hi_Im_Chucky If actually trying to kill a survivor (like name of the role suggests...) is a 'dirty decision' so is bodyblocking or trading hook stages when someone is almost dead and you haven't been hooked yet. For some reason though, when one side does it, it's called toxic and sweaty, but when the other does exactly the same it's called efficient and smart. I am allergic to double standards. You either want people to play efficiently or say it's sweaty. Pick one, for both sides.
Edit2: I don't mean strictly YOU, just the way I write...
Edit3: There is no point playing nice, because no matter what, one mentally challanged/troll will call you toxic or trash anyway. Bigger streamers have entire compilations of playing nice the entire game, just to be called tunnelers by guy who literally run at them 3 times. I do not have respect for 'survivor mains'. If you didn't play both sides to actually know how it is on higher level of play, your opinion does not matter.
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I'm 4.3k hourts in play killer 60/40 and have very thick skin. I'm well aware of the meta. This post is more calling out the people on here complaining about it acting like its one side doing it. When both are. More a vent then anything. I enjoy playing nice when I'm able to but this event leaves no wiggle room for that. So the sweats get my sweaty builds and add ons now. Also you might want to clean up your 3rd edit. Mods are intolerable to that sort of thing.
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If they ban me, they ban me. Guess that's just one less person who actually understands the game to worry about.
My biggest problem with that is... very often it is the chill survivors who get stomped by actually sweaty killer who just had enough of 16 meta perks squad trolls. No idea how to fix that, just a sad fact.
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Sorry if I worded poorly. I have 3 AM crust brain.
It's just ironic to call out one side for acting like it's one side doing it by dedicating the vast majority of your post to calling out one side for doing it.
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SWF's are inherently toxic and unfair NOT SOLOQ. We're just trying our best to have fun and not lose MMR. Heck, I only play with Meme builds and you don't see me complain when I get killed while playing.
When I started out as a killer main (I was originally a Hag main), I noticed that only new killers get scared of leaving hooks and not getting kills because they aren't used to losing. They're scared of not knowing what to do every time, so they do the easiest thing they can think of, but as I've gained experience, I've started to realize that tunnel and camping are only as useful as the other strategies in the game, such as map control, memorizing tiles, practicing looping, and not playing against SWFs. It's practically useless if you don't know what you're doing, and you're not a good killer unless you've practiced what you've learned.
TLDR; Playing a killer is never easy and not for everybody, and you can be great at playing a killer only if you have good analytical skills and critical thinking.
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Unfair? Sure. Not toxic. I don't think me playing with my friends and goofing with eachother is toxic.
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Try doing it in Asia, those guys don't give jacksheet about anything, SEA is the worst region ever, ask anyone.
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Cool.
Still not inherently toxic.
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You're fine
Ironic isnt the word. Both sides are guilty and i feel both. I play 60/40 killer survivor. In the moment the guilty party was the survivors. So yes in the moment it was more directed them. Rightfully so.
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I really find it easier to worry about how i play the game, and if i am enjoying it to be honest, let us be real about it this is a game simple as that, you have a bad game it last 5 minutes move to the next one pretty easy solution just grow thicker skin, there is no reason to be rude or nasty or downright disgusting to anybody in end game chat none of you would do this if the person was in front of you or talk to people out on the street in this way you would either be arrested or put in hospital, so quit with the leyboard warrior crap, be angry at the game not the person.
As a killer i treat the games on how quick the first lot of gens go if they wish to be edgelords and sweatier than a footballers jock strap after a 2 hour match i will play just as sweaty. If they are fairly chill and i treat them the same, it is just a game remember I do not understand why people take it so seriously it really amuses me to see people get so mad and hateful over a game.
If your a threat i will tunnel you if you are a clicky clicky edgelord bully squad i treat you accordingly and shut it down if i can, i am not going to go cry in end game chat about it as it is just a game and honestly if your not breaking rules do what ever you want people here need to quit telling others how to play the game....
As a survivor i do my objectives, help team mates and if i get tunneled or camped it is what it is move on to the next game nothing i can do about it, do not know how many times i been farmed off a hook by a random with no borrowed time, or sandbagged or simply left on hook because the other team mates rather touch each other, or the famous dummy spit disconnect.
As a streamer i also am tired of seeing other streamers who are in swf's do nothing but complain and carry on about how killers are doing this and that wrong and then report them for camping or tunnelling, no wonder streamers are getting a bad name because of the ones that do nothing but be negative and assume people target them because they have ttv in their name, if your a streamer and dislike this or think this is occurring take the ttv out of your name if not stop complaining about it simple.
I see the sweat from both sides no side is better than the other they both have their problems or do things that the other side dislikes, and demoralising and abusing somebody in end game chat, or going to their stream to abuse them wont help and honestly you do not know that person either, simply treat others how you wish to be treated.
Everybody else meh do what you find is fun its not the game that is the problem here its those that take this game way too seriously and forgotten that it is just a game god go play the souls games then you will feel the pain :P
Anyhow thats my 2 cents worth stay positive people
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I don't understand the need for a post like this based on one game. If you had several of such games in a row on multiple days then yes, you'd be right. But right now you're complaining about other people complaining, bit of pot calling kettle...
I don't think it is a vicious cycle necessarily so much as one's mindset. If you see it as a cycle, then regardless of what happens during each game you'll end up thinking 'ah see, there they go genrushing again, now I have to tunnel/camp to win, and now people are going to complain about it.'
Most games go on for +/- 7-10min. What were you doing during that time when they were doing gens? (Did you get distracted looking at Leon? Or got spooked by a wild Nea? 😜)
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You seriously think that this was brought about because of 1 game? It was the example used thats it. I have valid points in the post that isnt about me just complaining. Its about the community's mindset toward one another and lack of understanding.
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Okay calm down, my post wasn't an attack on you, I just literally took your word for it:
"The game that made me make this was a 3k with 5 hooks because i ran a chill build and was down to play nice, but the gens were practically done in less then 3-4 mins."You surely understand that there is no way to have the number of players worldwide all to see eye-to-eye every game/with every single player and their playstyle. That would be utopic lol. I didn't disregard your points, valid or not. I even asked you a question, but you couldn't be bothered to answer. But you do you, GL and HF in your games ✌️
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I have to agree SEA servers can be quite the ordeal depending on the time too most are just bloodpoint farming really.. But bully SWF squads are all over and not the majority most of the bully squads are horrible survivors they are super alturistic i found and easily baited.
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You came off condescending of course I'm going to take it the way I did. I tend to be more optimistic and hope that talking on here will help people playing the blame game one here understand the other side better. I'm not some doe eyed idiot who thinks this community will grow up. I couldnt be bothered originally with your question because of the way you phrased your post. The individual aspects of the match were not the point, but if you actually want to know how the match went down here you go.
Playing plague no add ons build is pwyf stbfl bbq and Lethal pursuer. I play builds like this because I dont like playing into the gen def typical killer build. I find it boring and i like going for chases. The all played flans so I decide that I'm going to play a chill match. I usually 2 hook everyone then let everyone get their bp and get out.
Start of the match i find someone early and get them sick and leave them for the other 3 on the other side. I find someone out positioned and I'm able to get them sick and 2 hit them for stbfl about when 1 gen pops maybe around 40 sec in? I leave her to go after the jake i got sick earlier. Who was a way better looper. It took about twice the time to down him. by the time I hooked him 3 more gens pop. So with 2 hooks in with 1 gen left i decide that they arnt playing for easy bp. So I switch gears and try to play into their altruism and i camp him. They dont finish the last gen for some bizarre reason and all come for the save. In the scramble i down 2 including the jake and chase a thrid to the gen 99ed which they pop. I go back to the jake kill him and go to hook a fourth. I catch them coming for the save from an awkward angle with my red puke and down one. The other panics and i play goal keeper to the hooked survivor and the slug. Eventually the other is in a position where I know she cant get the save in time for me to hook the other. So with 2 hooked the last one breaks for the gate.
If I remember right 2 didnt get passed 10k and one was at 12 then the one who escaped was at 16k. I made it out with 24k. All in all not a bad result considering.
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I'm responsible for what I say/type, not for how you interpret it. I was genuinely curious about what had happened during your match, and ended my post with a joke, to keep the mood light. That being said, my point was that both sides have their valid and invalid points, and both shouldn't be disregarded.
You come across as frustrated or misunderstood, and that makes it seem like you're perhaps taking things differently than they are, depending on your mindset. Because your responses to me come across in the same manner. And to be very clear, I don't mean to upset or frustrate you. Was just responding to what you had said.
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You seem salty to me nothing more really, i get the vent but don't use moral reasons for your post it was more about you being annoyed that the other party didn't want to play "chill" they just wanted to get their objectives done and leave not sit and have a candlelit dinner with the killer.
In your first paragraph of your original post you tell people to stop complaining about camping and tunneling etc etc and then in your very next paragraph complain about survivors gen rushing your game, if you want others to stop complaining about things then dont do the exact same thing your complaining about in the very next paragraph talk about hypocrisy at it's finest.
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all good. No big deal. I agree both sides can be like this. This isnt a this vs them. I am frustrated with people who want to point fingers. Not with the game in particular. There are 100 posts about tunneling and tunneling and this needs to be the response to that. They lack empathy. Not that there arnt killers who play with a similar mindset.
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Just run noed with 3 gen defence perks. Strategically camp, slug and make sure to tunnel someone out early. That's how they do it in comp, where there are 100+ rules to make the game somewhat balanced. Survivors dont give you anything when you're having a bad or unfair game. You'll get tbagged and 4x 'gg ez baby killer' in the endgame chat.
I'd love this game to be designed around chasing people. But then people just say "You're called a killer, not a chaser" or a different empty argument like that. It's unwinnable. Just join the dark side, play to win.
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I'm not salty, I wasnt complaining about the match. I won that match with 24k. It was a good result, but it wasnt fun, and what they did while efficient wasnt smart. The match was used as an example. The point is there is no chill in either side so stop pointing fingers. Not that i was mad because they didnt want to play a chill match.
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I honestly think that MMR is the root of the whole problem. You play consistently good for a few games and get punished by it. Hard. Then you get totally tabled and switch gears into hard mode, and chances are that during this time you will encounter a baby killer/squad and totally destroy them, because its hard to notice right away.
Why on earth do you implement a SBMMR system in a game, thats supposedly tongue in cheek, party game-level, casual fun? And then also claim "we can't add unranked, because that would fracture the playerbase and increase everyones que time. UwU".
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Yep I agree that stuff sucks too hence the preface. The "you people" line is just a catch all. It means nothing more then those who it is directed to.
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I'm not going to tell you that you are wrong just that imo its not fun to play like that. I still have hope the devs got some ideas to fix the meta so this becomes a non issue
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if you wish people to quit pointing fingers maybe take your own advice and quit pointing the finger yourself just because your having a bad game, and quit being rude to people in the discussion because they disagree with you or find your posts hypocritical you have used the term reading comp twice now on two different people next time you do this i simply report your post i am done with your immaturity and acting like a 2 year old because you lost a game, you dislike how people are condascending towards you but you find it reasonable to insult people at the same time hypocrite much??.
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I think that if the game was balanced mmr would work in a game like this. The issue is that they got the order of operations wrong. They decided to go mmr then balance. I dont agree with the label party game. Its disingenuous and makes people think they have the right to dictate how others should play
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Listen you were rude and condescending to me first. This isnt a one way street and my comment about reading comp is a jab at you because you dont get what i ment in the post. Which you dont. Look at everything you just said. I think you need a bit of introspection
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Not toxic but friends goofing while playing still coordinate everything in the match as well.
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So you’re mad about a side playing in a way you don’t like so you’re playing in a way they don’t like because of that?
Sounds like you’re the one feeding the cycle lmao
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No I'm saying that people playing like that are forcing others to play with the same amount of sweatiness. The killer is not obligated to lie down and take sweaty plays like that. Just like if a survivor team isnt obligated to humor a killer if they tunnel from first chase.
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So if you against more chill survivors with your sweaty build and sweaty tactics, what happens then? You’re just feeding that same cycle.
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The chase is the best part of this game. it's all about the chase, cause then both survivor and killer is having a good time. Survivor doesnt like to hang on a hookr for minutes on end and then just instantly get downed and put out of the game. When survivor gen rush, killer will hate his life and the game. So yes i agree that it's all about the chase and it should be promoted in every possible way
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That is the side effect of the cycle. The post isnt saying no bad dont do that. Its saying that tunneling and camping killers arnt always just doing it to be mean. They might be constantly going against swf sweat squads. So the next team is going to eat that sweaty build because of the team before. Undoubtedly solo q and chill teams are the biggest victims of this.
Me personally? If its a stomp ill let off the sweaty plays and let them breath. Apparently according to some people on here its my fault for wanting to chill out and I should expect people to play chill. Thats why at the start I'm playing with no chill. I have no notification that the team I'm being facing will be sweats or not. So why set myself up for failure.
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It's not just nurses sluggling it's essentially every single killer slugging for a 4k, tunneling people to death, and at the end of the match only 1 or 2 gens have been done, many times none. If everyone is playing sweaty then it's everyone, but from my experience I haven't come across a sweaty survivor yet, just sweaty killers. I hate gen rushing but at this point it seems to be the only way to get any bloodpoints. This event has surely brought out the worst in alot of players and it only seems to be getting worse with the mentality of, "If they're going to play sweaty then I am too". We can all be better than that.
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I mostly agree but you cant just expect players to lie down. Unfortunately what I've taken away from this thread and how people have acted. Is never expect chill players
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I don't recall saying anything about expecting players to lie down or expecting chill players for that matter. However, if the consensus is everyone is being sweaty then maybe the mentality shouldn't be that since one side is sweaty then the other side is going to play sweaty. This event could be great if everyone took a step back and calmed down but it will never happen. Way too many have some strange desire to absolutely ruin the experience of this event for everyone they encounter. I can only speak for myself when I say I'll continue to play the same way I always do which is to have fun and get bloodpoints. I make a point to not do anything sweaty like gen rushing. If that gets me killed every match, then so be it. At the end of the day it's just a video game and shouldn't be taken so serious. I guess I'm in a very small minority of people that wants to have fun and others to have fun too.
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Fair enough. I think your way is the best way. I usually like to play like that too, but when I get to the point where I'm playing back to back sweat sometimes I have to throw on something to match lol
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Always kinda makes me wonder when people get angry over someone not playing ‘nice’.
This game is about brutally murdering people in a nightmare realm.
“I hate it when I get brutally murdered in an impolite way.”
I’m starting to think some people just can’t handle the violence that this game involves. Something happens in game that they don’t like and bam they immediately take it personally as if it had happened in the real world.
It is possible to walk away from every game of DBD and not be pissy about it.
All it takes is being an adult who understands it’s only a game, one that can be played viciously due to its theme and the person on the other side probably isn’t a monster purely out to ruin your fun.
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Actually during the event they have to gen rush or else they cant get their masks. You have to remember some people already have every person maxed out already so blood points mean nothing they are just trying to gain mmr.
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Thats because its a game. It is essentially just tag with gen defense tossed in. It themes dont excuse people playing like pricks lol
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I could definitely see that being a thing.
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I would agree with most of what you said with the exception of the last part, especially during this event. People are playing like someone hurt them and they need to take that out on someone else.
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