Solo q is going to be a massacre after the changes go through

You really think devs dont know who is solo and who is swf?

In high MMR solo is fun and balanced, that is something at least. I do think they will give solos more information in the game soon, they have to after these changes that I think is good because killer really needs buffing.

Many of us have said "play survivor" for a few years now when killers have complained, so now..play killer perhaps?

DEVs once showed us stats where the difference was around 8%, but to be honest that seems to be too low. Two years later I heard they said it's 15%. But that includes 2-man and 3-man SWFs teams without comms too and most people play 2-man and 3-man SWF, so they make that difference not as noticable.

If we take an extreme case, the difference between solo and 4-man SWF on comms is huge.

Yes, this sounds about right.

Yes. But not very efficient to be honest, more like chatting. Playing in a 2 man SWF and we will probably more efficient once the Update drops.

Sometimes we play 3 man-SWF with a friend of my SWF-Mate (a Streamer), but without Comms with the 3rd person. But this does not matter that much, since this person knows what they are doing.

In general, comms are not the strong part of SWF, but many people just dont understand it. The strong part is to have reliable teammates who have awareness. You dont need to tell those that a specific Gen needs to be done. Or to split up. So a 4 man SWF without comms is almost as strong as a 4 man SWF with Comms, if they are all good players. And 4 Solos which are as good at the game would also be as good as a 4 man SWF without Comms.

So, yeah. The main strength is that you filter out the Claudettes who heal against a Legion in the Corner of the Map with Self-Care or the David who farms you off the hook for the WGLF-Stack.

I'll say it again..im not sure what kind of potatoes you guys play with, but 7/10 matches i escape easily with 3-4 escape rate with solos. Not even lying.

This is why killrates are down because survivors can play well in soloQ as well.

I have such a chill time as a survivor, sometimes even giving a hook or 2 for the killer so they can get bloodpoints.

If people play well they play well in solo and in SWF if they hide and self heal in the corner they will do that with friends too.

You are not supposed to escape every single match you play nor is killer supposed to win every match they play.

So what is it, that you´re implying? That kill rates aren´t low?

It's the exact opposite for me, I will play soloQ more thanks to BT basekit and the new OTR.

Maybe the stats are so bad, that they prefer to not show them, because they would cause a major uproar.

My guess is it dipped below 50% I predicted between 40-50

It's not luck it's skill. My friend did an experiment and got insane results too in soloQ over 20 games. Around 80% winrate. The only times he died were when someone was hard throwing (suiciding on hook) or bad luck (getting rancored.).

"I finally let the killer down me and suicided" and then you complain about no escaping and bad teamates ? Seems to me you are the bad teamate here.

Probably even lower. I mean, they didn´t had an issue with showing the stats, when they were around 60-70%.

In a previous comment, you say you main Huntress but it's too hard for you to get kills with her. Who are you to call others "potatoes"? She throws beach balls. I used to main her, too, until she got too easy and boring. That's on PS4. I don't understand the killer mains on this forum. This game does not require enough skill to justify the imbalance going forward between killers and solo survivors. Are you going to say Legion and Plague with Thana are still "low-tier killers" against solos while gens take two minutes? Is Deathslinger with 10 stacks of STBFL going to be fair? Too many of you argue in bad faith.

Yea it doesn't make sense, any good killer can already 3-4k consistently, and very good killer mains honestly win 90% of the time just watch some streamers, if you suck at killer then you deserve low kill rates .

I don't know it's almost like the devs never played solo Q, or maybe they're balancing the game for console killers ?

The devs had an entire section of their January 2022 Developer Update blog dedicated to how they were working on adding additional icons to the HUD to help solo survivors because the escape rate difference between solo and swf survivors was as high as +15%. I have no idea what happened to the HUD icons they were working on in January, if it’s still something in the works or if it got postponed or cancelled, but they made a really big deal about it in that state of the game blog.

The kill rate is 55% according to the Dec-Jan figures. Survivors escape at 45% rate, but SWF boosts that number because they escape at a 15% higher rate than solos. If the proposed changes go through, it's going to drop even more, especially for solos.

Against solos, Blight and Nurse are even more OP. Spirit makes a comeback. Oni and Huntress become S-Tier. Plague and Legion, just suicide on hook, etc.

they do care.

While this is true, them going silent about it might mean that it is scrapped. This happened in the past that things got scrapped at some point without any notice.

And well, Icons dont put Brains into Survivors. Sadly. I have had situations where I reached second stage despite the Survivors knowing that nobody came for the save. (Survivor A being chased (got injured AND Obsession) and Survivor B and C on the same Gen.... All information available...).

I really don't understand how basekit anti-tunnel measures and more perk viability translate to solo queue nerfs.

Even if the anti-tunnel measures don't go far enough, that's still a net neutral, not a nerf. They didn't nerf any of solo's more heavily incentivised tools like Kindred, and the perks that they did nerf have clear alternatives, so where exactly is the nerf? What, exactly, is going to lead to a "massacre" in solo queue?

To be clear, while I still play killer most, I've been getting more into survivor recently for archive challenges and the like- I play solo, and I'm going to do it more after these changes hit, because the experience should improve. I'll certainly be testing survivor on the PTB.

Pentimento is 30% slowdown and four stacks of Thana is (going to be) 22%, so where on earth are you getting that from? Thana got buffed by 2%, I don't necessarily agree with it but it's also pretty laughably small.

The only thing that changes in regards to solo queue being made weaker is that Knock Out got buffed, that's it. I still don't think many killers are going to run Knock Out, but in fairness, that one thing does make solo queue weaker.

Basekit anti-tunnel and more perk viability still works out to a positive.

This upcoming update surely has some serious issues, but I do find it interesting how much people can exaggarate things as well.

The devs definitely also care about solo survivors, people that jump to the conclusion they don't care after some changes are announced that aren't good for them need to grow up.

Some of the perk changes are very bad for the game. Self Care, Spine Chill and DS nerf are horrific. The Overcharge and Eruption buffs are too much, and Thana definitely doesn't need a buff either.

The big problem is the lack of proper anti-tunneling and camping measures, now that killers are getting some great basekit buffs.