Which meta perk got the most undeserved nerf for the upcoming update?

DS and it’s not even close.

It's a hex. That's enough of a downside already.

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Dstrike and spine chill. About ds is good what they do about end game but the stun duration should be 5 seconds, as 3 is too less. Spine chill is a good and fun perk, not as powerful as others .. like nowhere near.

Calm Spirit. Like why nerf such medicore perk

/ruin.

Ruin.

While perks like Spine Chill, Iron Will, and DS are super hurt by their changes, I think Ruin is the most underserved nerf because it's already a hex perk. Hex perks are high risk, high reward and now ruin has like no reward. It's not even better than just kicking the gen. Obviously it can still be useful in situations where you can't get to a gen for a while, but that's not enough to justify bring ruin.

It's between Self Care and DS. Self Care more so because it was already a bad perk, and now it's been nerfed into complete uselessness.

Making it disable in endgame was enough without the shorter stun time imo

I'd say Self-Care, since it's probably the only perk in there that I don't see enough to be considered meta. TBH I don't remember the last time I saw it. CoH is the problematic self-care perk.

I love the salt that's flowing around perks like Iron Will and Spine Chill. Like peoples' attitudes seem to be "It's acceptable that the meta perks I don't care about got heavily nerfed, but it's unacceptable that the meta perks I like got heavily nerfed!"

Pop Goes the Weasel.

20% of *Current Progress* makes this perk kind of useless since you can't really wander the whole of the map looking for a well progressed generator to use it on.

Better off just using Pain Resonance+Monstrous Shrine.

That's actually a good point. And following that, I think the only thing that needed more of a nerf would be BT because it actually gained a few seconds of endurance when added on to the basekit endurance

A lot of these were botched changes, but ruin takes the cake.

Cut its effectiveness in half? Basically unusable now.

Make it destroy itself? That's very harsh.

Both? Dude - it's not even that strong to begin with, chill.

Imagine if Dead Hard got this treatment.

'The distance/duration is halved. Instead of getting 0.5s of invincibility and traveling 4m - users will now gain 0.25s of invincibility and travel 2m'

Then, as the cherry on top.

'Once 3 gens are completed, this perk is deactivated for the rest of the trial'

Like, dang - pick one. Either way it's an unfun change. It could have been nerfed far more eloquently. They took it to the back and did a number on it, they did. Slashing a perk's numbers in half and THEN making it destroy itself is pure vitriol and completely disconnected with the reality of gameplay.

I'll reference what I said earlier about having ruin disable when a survivor is killed. I think that's the healthy choice out of the two since it'll promote spreading out multiple hook states. You get to choose whether or not it goes away sooner or later.

I'd disagree on a fundamental level - but I hope we can agree that both hard-nerfing the efficacy of the perk on TOP of putting a kill-switch into it is... a bit much.

Also, I don't think any hex perk should self destruct, as it's a hex perk. Survivors can either remove or trigger hexes by cleansing them, it removes the perk permanently. Hex perks have about a 40% chance of spawning near a survivor's initial spawn. It's high risk high reward. Removing the reward is one thing, but even with the reward in place - turning the 'high risk' mechanic into a 'high risk + guaranteed flop' is extremely questionable.

If they wanted to make it shut down, they should pull it from being a hex perk, right? But, in truth, there are two far more eloquent solutions to the Ruin problem that would balance it without all of this malarky:

1.) Ruin triggers once cleansed, not until cleansed. Like Haunted Grounds or Retribution - Ruin only activates when cleansed, which would play into the high-risk-high-reward mentality, and could provide an interesting new approach to the perk's effects. For instance, you could have generators regress at 300% speed for 64/128/192 seconds. This makes it less oppressive in many games, would certainly lower the pick-rate, and would only spell the demise of survivors in the mid/late game, while scarcely effecting the early game unless a zealous (or overzealous) survivor goes for a quick cleanse. This would change how Ruin works and put the fear of the Entity into survivors while also giving killers a steep enough reward to risk the hex perk.

2.) Simply keep ruin as-is and build in a 4-8 second delay on activation. When a generator is left alone for longer than 8 seconds, ruin begins to regress it at 200% speed. Not only does this save charges for survivors (up to 4 seconds worth of progress) but it also starves killers of much of their passive oppression and information (Surveillance combo would become useless). Survivors that are able to coordinate could more effectively fight through the hex, provided it remains active. By simply adding a delay to the perk's activation at each instance - the overall value of the perk steeply declines. It remains a powerful perk, but as all Hex perks go - it can be removed from the match.

Putting a self-destruct into a perk is like the developers saying 'you've had your fun, time to go home'. it's adversarial and completely artificial - it lacks an organic touch. They should either change the perk's relation to Hex totems, or just add an activation delay to slow its potential effectiveness. Making a perk doubly volatile doesn't make it less viable - it just makes it less fun.

This is the Dead By Daylight equivalent of your Dungeon's & Dragons DM deciding your character is suddenly unable to use their favorite weapon. "Why?" you might ask, much to their chagrin. They look up at you from their notebook, "Because it would break the encounter I set up.". You ball your hands into fists in frustration, "Why? Why didn't you just make the encounter a bit harder, or change the nature of the encounter to oppose my weapon? You could have selected enemies that countered me or applied a different approach to reach the same means... why didn't you do any of those things - why are you telling me that my character simply cannot have their weapon?"

The DM smirks, "Because I'm in charge and you are not."

It's literally breaking the established rules to remove a player's favorite toy from their hands.

It is bending and breaching the conventions of Hexes and prospects of perks themselves to punish killer players that bring the perk.

insult to insult and injury to injury. Taking the perk away from players that are doing their job and playing well is the epitome of poor design and is not helped by how spiteful such a change comes off as.

Ruin's nerf is pointless. Since the rework it was a rather simple perk with some counter that does not involve cleansing/blessing, and they said they wanted to Nerf slowdown perks, but ruin is more like a time-saving perk since the rework for me, as it does not affect repair speed in any way unless you manage to have a gen untouched for quite a while, and now they want to extend that time. If they keep going this way with nerfs with no sense to this perk, it may stop being worthy of being a hex, as hexes are supposed to be OP in some way when active, and ruin is starting to lack some power.