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New player here - winning seems to be impossible
new player here, have been playing for about 2 days, i tried survivor a couple times and have been playing killer, im an active gamer and experient with all kinds of games, i decided to stick to killer for a while, have been playing wraith after watching some videos about how to approach, ambush, attack etc, i have been succesful in dealing some blows but its extremely hard, survivors just have a lot of defense mechanisms like running around pallets, flashlight, most of the time my wraith aint fast enough even after uncloaking right on top of them, and when i manage to hit them, they run away and heal back, i know im new and must be doing something wrong, i never won a single round yet, i don't have any good or advanced perks, and then i seem to be facing pro survivors, i think im the one being hunted and not the other way around, so before quitting the game i would like to know from you guys if thats how it is, if im losing because i don't have good enough perks, or i just don't know how to play ?
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First of all: Welcome to DbD!
You started playing during a matchmaking test. Which might explain why you haven´t been matched with players of a similar skill level. At least, thats what the skill based matchmaking aims for (when it works like it should). Which would be the main reason why you had such a bad experience.
Winning is possible without perks. But requires experience. The Perks however can help both sides greatly.
If you stick around, you might encounter a very addictive game. But learning most stuff can take quite some time.
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In DBD, the knowledge and the experience of the game makes a huge difference. Perks have a significant impact too, but not as big of an impact compared.
You were most likely paired with survivors that had significantly more experience than you, and I think that's sad.
For the last 2 days, some matchmaking experiment were going on. We don't know yet what they were about, Behaviour is supposed to communicate on it today. The matchmaking felt really random to me.
By the way, the game has a sbmm (skill based match making), however this morning (french time) I was paired with and against beginners. Guess why I think dbd's sbmm is flawed.
My advice is: if you have friends, play with them in private games. DBD isn't an easy game to master at all, I have 700h+ in the game and I consider myself as an average player. Do not be surprised to struggle even with 100h+.
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Welcome new killer.
Do not give up, like all pvp games, you get better as you play.
When I satrted I was told you need 500 hours in this game to really start to grasp it all. 2500 hours later, its much easier to play ;)
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Welcome to DbD and to the Forums!
DbD does have quite a steep learning curve, which we tend to forget and I am sure it can be difficult for new players coming into the game. It's good you've picked Wraith as a starting killer as his power is rather simple to understand and he can get some good hits on newer survivors who are less suspecting of him being cloaked.
I would suggest looking on youtube with regards to how to run specific tiles - jungle gyms, how to play the shack etc As these things will help you with both playing survivor and killer. I would also suggest playing both sides, it definitely helps you to improve your game when you can understand the vision of the game from the opposing player.
I'd also not focus on "winning" as such at this stage, improving and learning is the most important step - look at how many chases you are successful in instead of kills etc. is better to focus on.
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I just want to add a quick info:
Wraith's last nerf is from patch 5.3.0 that released on 19th October 2021. If you look videos of Wraith older than that, you will see some outdated tactics.
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Welcome aboard! I can confidently say the great majority of the time anybody loses its because they made mistakes during the game. Tactical and strategic errors definitely outweigh loadouts and balance differences. When you hear about things like “Dead Hard is the best survivor perk” or “Meyers is a weak killer”, etc, those sorts of balance issues really only matter when all the players are playing pretty much flawless matches against each other. If I’m playing well as killer I can down people that aren’t playing well regardless of their loadouts. And likewise when I play poorly I will lose even if I’m running a typically good build.
As far as getting better at the game as a killer, some basics might be
- Always be prepared to let off holding forward while chasing someone in case they try and juke to the side or do a quick circle. If you’re just blindly constantly holding forward all the time it’s much harder to hit someone that jukes around like that. Be a little patient, tap the breaks if it feels like they’re dodging, and only swing when you appear to have a hit lined up.
- Doing a quick swing up close is harder for them to avoid in many cases than doing a lunge attack. They can see the lunge animation winding up so know to try and dodge it at that moment, and also I think lunge attacks have a narrower arc that they hit within. Lunge attacks are useful when you need the extra distance to hit someone before they can vault or drop a pallet, but in the open it’s better to just take the extra bit of time to get in quick attack range and use that.
- There’s so many tiles in the game it’s really difficult to memorize every optimal path on every loop. But you might want to look up videos on common things like dealing with the killer shack and a couple other patterns that appear all the time. (This is something I’m still really bad at personally. Just last night I was getting looped into oblivion at the top of the docks in the swamp, still not sure the right path to tale there.)
- Use headphones as a killer. Hearing survivors nearby and knowing precisely what direction they’re in is in my opinion at least as important and seeing them. If you’re not wearing headphones the game is significantly harder as killer.
- If you chase someone and they drop a pallet on you don’t be afraid to just break the pallet and go find a different survivor. If you keep going after the same survivor over and over and they keep reaching pallets you’re just giving everybody else time to work on the gens. Weakening the map by breaking the pallet is often “good enough” if you quickly turn back to driving people off the gens. Plus by switching targets you are more likely to find the weak link in the survivor group that you can down more easily, and once you have eliminated the weakest survivor player that puts a ton of pressure on the rest.
- Just because you see a survivor doesn’t automatically mean you should blindly go and chase them. Chasing someone off in a remote corner of the map far from all the gens is time the rest of the squad is free to finish them. Try to focus more on chasing people who are actively working on gens or near gens being worked on over chasing people you see in the distance that don’t seem to be doing anything useful, especially survivors that actively seem to want you to chase them since those are the ones hoping to distract you from their allies.
- If you down someone, and there seems to be another survivor nearby, feel free to just leave the downed person on the ground while you get a hit on the other one. That downed survivor isn’t really going anywhere or doing anything useful for a while so by switching targets during that down time you’re putting a lot of extra pressure on their side as a whole. A good rule of thumb is it takes about 10 seconds to carry someone you downed to a hook, so if you think you can do something useful in the next 10 seconds other than just carrying the person do that instead, and if you seem to have a short breather carry the person to a hook to finally capitalize on the down. Yes it takes a little longer to get a lot of hooks this way but it ultimately pays off by slowing the survivors down way more than the extra time it takes you.
- You’ll probably hear a lot about “face camping” people on hook. It’s actually in general not a good strategy because if you just stand in place and the other survivors just shrug and keep working on the gens and only come for a rescue at the last moment they can pretty much finish the gens by the time you get even a couple of hook states secured. It’s more consistently effective to be active more of the time to ensure that at most only one survivor can be working on a gen at a given moment. Of course playing zone defense is something else entirely, if you can multitask keeping an eye on a hooked survivor while also driving another survivor off a gen in the same area of the map that’s a pretty solid way to maintain pressure on multiple survivors at once.
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I bought Bubba and focused less on winning and more in BP gain. My goal being 4 stacks of BBQ Chilli to double the BP I earn every match.
my point is, lowering your goal and building it up later is better for your mental health.
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i would like to update this, after trying the wraith, the nurse, i tested the huntress and it was easier for me, i was finally able to hit more people and won my first round, with a level 1 huntress lol, i dont know what happened to one of the players, but after i killed him his symbol changed to a small ball with some sort of two arms, one on each side of the ball, never saw him again, finally !
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Congrats on winning the game and glad that you're feeling better about it.
Finding a killer that works with your playstyle or one that you can adjust your playstyle to fit even, is part of the fun!
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Ah yes, the unneeded nerf... poor wraith
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Hello newbie!
DbD is, as others have stated, a tricky game to learn. Initially, whichever role you choose, you might feel a bit outclassed. However, stick with it and you'll get a feel for it.
As survivor:
- This role is probably more difficult initially, but quickly becomes the easier of the two roles.
- Otzdarva (one of the most prolific DbD content creators) recently mentored a new survivor player, Anna Chess, on his Twitch and you can still find the VODs there. Absolutely fantastic if you want to go and watch, and learn along with her.
- I'm also learning survivor at present, and I cannot explain anything better than what you'd see there.
For killers:
- Wraith is a good one to learn first.
- Avoid Nurse and Huntress for now, you'll pick up some bad habits.
- I'd recommend saving shards/spending a small amount of money and getting Legion or Cannibal next, as these come with great perks to help you on all killers (Discordance and BBQ) and you'll find they teach you the basics as you play.
- Don't sweat losses - they'll happen sometimes.
- Avoid camping when you start. It feels like an intuitive strategy, but you won't learn much and you'll annoy the pants off other players.
- Always be active. Have your next few moves planned out.
- Don't chase someone for too long. A good rule of thumb is 30-40 seconds...max. If you don't think you're going to catch them, peel off and go looking for someone else.
- Killers live and die by information.
- At the start of the game, head to the furthest gen from you and look for the exit gates. Head to that gen and you'll generally find someone to chase relatively fast.
- If in doubt, pick out 3 gens close to each other and defend them. This is known as 3-genning and will win you games.
- Always face a wall when picking someone up if you can, to avoid flashlight saves.
- Use your ears!
DbD is a wonderful game, but it can be legitimately frustrating at times. Keep at it and remember that this is the sort of game that it can take 100-200 hours to even really start getting a feel for.
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Hahaha that "small ball with 2 arms" means you played huntress so well that that guy ragequit. Glad you found a killer that works for you! If you're an experienced FPS veteran, I also recommend deathslinger, trickster, executioner, or nemesis.
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wow, you guys wont believe, i won the second one again, with the huntress again, i went from rank IV to III i guess ? level 3 huntress now, i love the play style, so much easier and with a ranged weapon, all i needed, specially when those pesky survivors keep trying to hide behind the pallets or windows, i love it so much, im sorry my initial post was a little bit precipitate, can't wait to level up this killer, i was getting destroyed with the wraith
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i erased the players names
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Check this wraith guide. It's up to date and very helpful.
Most content from this guy is very helpful for starter players. Also otzdarva guides.
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The steep learning curve and grind is what sucks players in. BHVR's business model is working
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Let me give you a simple tip for playing huntress: when you are looking to equip new perks on her, prioritize perks that have "aura reading"
These perks let you see survivors through walls, and are especially good for huntress because you can predict long range hits with them. Some examples of aura reading perks are Bitter murmur (universal), BBQ & chili (the cannibal), Hex: retribution (deathslinger), scourge hook: floods of rage (onryo), or a nurse's calling (nurse)
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I love seeing a newkiller born.
Tons of videos out there to help you master Huntress if that's your playstyle go for it.
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For survivor, a lot of the guides will start off by teaching you the tiles and how to run them. This is important, but I think one of the things not mentioned that's most important is learning how to change your camera angle and look behind you while running.
This is a good video for teaching that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxBfZz7DulY.
You can either just go into the tutorial to practice this or you can go into a custom game with a friend. Once you're able to run in the same direction while changing your camera at will, the tile guides will make a lot more sense and be more accessible.
For killer, there's a pretty steep learning curve and a lot of game knowledge that's not in the basic tutorial. This is true for survivor too, but you might feel it more on killer. First, I'd set some realistic standards for yourself. You're not going to 4k and you might not even get one kill. At this stage, if you get 4-5 hooks I'd count that as a win and pat yourself on the back. If you don't get that many hooks, then that's cool too!
For killer, knowing the tiles is much more important because you have to know how the survivors will probably run and trick them into panic vaulting or running the wrong direction. Don't worry about generators and just focus on trying to play a tile. Learn which tiles are safe for the survivor and break those pallets immediately. If you see a tile that's not safe for the survivor, don't break the pallet immediately. Try to play around the tile and get a hit. If you break every pallet, then this game is a pallet breaking simulator and won't be very fun.
Something that's maybe a bit unorthodox to recommend. I would suggest you never camp, never tunnel, and don't use "Hex: No One Escapes Death" when you're new and learning. These strategies ARE effective and you will need to use these in certain situations as you get better. No One Escapes Death (NOED) IS an amazing perk and very strong. As a new player, they are ultimately self-defeating. The matchmaking doesn't really care how you got a kill, it just marks if you got a kill. If you got a kill, then that means you're better than that person. Sometimes, survivors will suicide to save their friend. Now, you've gotten a 4k because the survivors went "lol baby killer" and did stupid things. At this point, you WANT these survivors that are better than you to leave through the exit gate so that matchmaking doesn't decide to put you against harder opponents.
You will eventually start using these strategies and learning when the proper time to use them is. They're just ultimately self-defeating to use when you're new as the goal is to become more familiar with the game and better at it rather than to win. If you win, you get harder opponents. If you get harder opponents before learning how to face harder opponents, each match will feel worse.
Also, if you have the DLC, Legion is a great beginner character. The power is very simple and basically gives you free injuries and slow down, it helps with tracking (which is difficult when you're new), and you have to learn the basics of how to play tiles to get your final down. The perk Legion comes with, Discordance, is also great for helping you find your first survivors and knowing where to go.
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Holy crap yes.
Learning survivor, this was by far the least intuitive thing initially, closely followed by how to fast vault (I'm still awful at both).
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Run now my friend :(
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So much useful advice!
I just wanted to say "hello" and that you literally can't borrow experience from other games into dbd. It's unique with.... everything.
Don't feel discouraged, even if you can't win.
Focus on the small things.
And... idk just have fun xp. (But take the last tip with a grain of salt)
And yeah, good luck mate !
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Welcome to DbD! Everyone's given some great tips above. My one niche tip is to watch out for The Demogorgon. He's a Limited Killer that was available for a few years and is no longer around, if you see any characters like this, no, people aren't hacking, the references from certain licenses have just mostly been removed from the game except the playable characters themselves.
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Huntress is very satisfying to play. If you are interested the best Huntress player I know of is CoconutRTS.
Nurse is an interesting killer to say the least but it's usually best to leave her aside for a while and focus on game mechanics with easier killers. (The first time I've played with her, a long time ago, I couldn't imagine doing it ever again. Now she is my main killer.)
It's also a good idea to play both sides of the game, even if you have a preference. (Know your enemy ...)
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For survivor side, if it helps here's a video featuring a survivor build your can potentially get yourself without a single teachable unlocked.
Since you seem to be doing well with Huntress I found a video that may help there. Also look up Spookyloopz, his compilation videos feature some absolutely insane Huntress shots.
Finally, back to Survivor, the single best piece of advice I feel I ever got: always be running to something. Figure out where your want/need to go in a chase.
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hey guys, thanks everyone for the tips, i'm playing mostly the huntress and the trapper, i enjoy both, trapper is a bit weak on the offensive but strong on defense, heres one of my first wins with it, totally hilarious, i managed to win the game because they kept trying to save their friends lol
This is just the ending part, funny as hell they tried to recover their buddy and ended up losing
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Its been a few months, how have you fared on the game so far? @Lima24927
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Don't give up. It's gonna suck for a bit but you will find fun moments and like any pvp game you need too become familiar with the game before expecting to be that good at it. Good luck have fun in the fog.
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im doing really good, most of the rounds i get 3k's, i only really lose against some sweaty swfs, and im starting to hate survival players to be honest, they bring 4 DS, 4 DH, 4 BT, circle of healing, does body block,bring flashlights, and once the round is over, stupid idiots come to say gg ez or ez, or just teabag at the exit door, that should be a bannable offense really, theres absolutely no reason to do that if not to provoke the opposing player and try to humiliate them
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Imagine if bloodwarden blocked the exits for anyone that lingers in the exit areas
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The sad truth is, is that DBD is not friendly to new players. Only now after 6 years have they revealed that an official practice mode with bots is finally coming. This game expects new players to jump into the deep end when they don't know how to swim, and it's an absolutely horrible learning tool. If you can, get people in a custom match, otherwise unfortunately you'll just have to be steamrolled over and over while you learn. It's why DBD has suffered at acquiring new players over the years.
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I actually made a thread on the newer player experience in the feedback section today.
This was one of my points mentioned. The grind is overall less but for new players is actually worse. Maybe it's part 1 of a multi part strategy but yeah...
Having your feedback on this would be nice. I'm 2 months in myself though I was way more cautious then you and played the tutorial A LOT before getting in. Also got lots of bloodpoints on Wraith after getting crushed during what I later learned was the matchmaking test.
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3k is awesome. It all comes down to practice, you just needed to build that skill. I've been playing alot longer than you and am a pretty dull killer as most of my time goes into survivor. Unless I commit to getting better it ain't gonna happen.
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