Its time to camp the survivors out of the game

New Corrupt and Ruin should probably be baked-in mechanics. Killers are at their absolute weakest at the start of the game, so any role boosts should go towards that phase. As killers do better, losing those benefits gives survivors more of a fighting chance.

Bro this patch is a buff to tunnelling & camping in general

90 second gens when Deadlock is still a thing

DS only being 3 seconds now and deactivates during endgame (endgame part is fine imo)

Honestly I wouldn't call Otr a mistake. If you don't tunnel it won't effect you. The only part I think needs changed is it still being active during end game.

M1 killers don't have to camp always unless they are very bad at chases but if you are decent at chases you can adapt your playstyle in situations and pick the right chases and camp at right times. Important is to get one out pretty quickly not neccessary tunnel but target one survivor more than others.

It’s useless against SWF. Outside a camping Bubba build (rancor, noed, deadlock…ect) , I would never use it. Gens are not that far from each other. It was good when it came out but got replaced by DMS as soon as it got buffed.

Killer actions that produce the most points are not aligned with your defend the hook plan besides making the game miserable because you cannot bother to use your brain more during matches. Wraith or Bubba is probably your best bet for this low skill low score playstyle.

If blood points are not your motivation then you probably enjoy taking the wings and legs off of insects too.

Sure it’s good for camping, especially face camping with a Bubba.

With the new update more people are gonna do deadlock camping I'm 100% sure of it

90s gens with an extra 30 added each time a gen is done, pair that with new thana (Which will add an extra 5.5% to each gen since the hooked survivor counts) gens will take forever and the killer won't be punished for their playstyle

As far as I know, everyone is at least a little bit noob when they start playing any game,

but if you have 500 hours you should be at least slightly improving if you actually are trying to improve,

I could expect some of these people that whine about having to camp could have over 1000 hours in the game,

what do you say than? That you need like 2000 hours to be good?

Or that some people just need more time? Nah they are bad, end of story, they try the easier option which is to complain to make the game easier for them...

Killers that are not Nurse/Blight really cant pressure across map. Large maps = camp. Survivors need to be pressured to come rescue or you lose.

What dbd need is a basekit perk for killer - While a survivor is on a hook all gens are 10% slower and one generator is blocked - if the killer is not within 16m of the hook.

That's actually a critical difference between OTR and DS: OTR -will- affect you if you're not tunnelling. You can't bodyblock safely with DS, but you -can- with OTR. But the fact that OTR works during end-game when it's only just been fixed on DS does show that the devs just completely blanked out while designing the OTR rework. It is absolutely, 100% a mistake.

I personally prefer Ohtofu's idea for it and BT where the effected survivor has no collision with the killer. Then they can't body block with it. As that would be an entirely new mechanic I'd settle for the deactivate at egc.

Oh so just because a Trapper is D tier it automaticaly means it is virtually impossible to get 4k,

no way in life and death will he ever be able to get 4k,

4k with trapper is so hard you are lucky to get one....

Yeah right.

Bait

'If Otz went up against people at his level'?

How does that work? Does he get matched down? But if he can't get kills at his own level, wouldn't his level decrease anyway?

I do think that OP is being a bit dramatic, but he has a couple of points. About the buffs/nerfs, not the facecamping.

I think I got more out of a Ruin/Undying combo or even just Pop on its own than an extra ten seconds per gen. That, like the 10% boost to a couple of killer actions, is pretty underwhelming.

OTR on its own could cause kill rates to plummet even if we got an extra 20 seconds on every gen and a 20% increase to those killer actions. I get that people don't like getting tunneled, but it's one of the most reliable ways to win if you're up against a good team (unlike facecamping, which is never a good strategy), and this will eliminate it as a strategy almost entirely. I don't know why they would claim to have a problem with Dead Hard's 75% pick rate and then introduce a perk that's bound to be just as popular.

BT was buffed (although no one is going to run it now that OTR is a thing), and Dead Hard is more manageable, but it's still an on-demand invincibility perk that gives a speed boost when used successfully. And I still see CoH multiple times every game, because it was never actually functionally nerfed (nobody uses Shattered Hope because it doesn't actually do much against boon totems and is a waste of a perk slot).

Kill rates will probably go down slightly unless they nerf OTR into the ground, at the very least.

My guess is that they'll see that in the PTB, "nerf" OTR from 80 to 60 seconds or something and call it good, and then gradually roll out more balancing changes over the course of the next year once they see the numbers, but always play it extremely safe.

We'll see. I do hope I'm wrong.

If you're up against a 4-man SWF, sometimes those are way too altrustic for their own good, but facecamping as the OP describes is still very bad. A team that's actually good will do gens while Dwight has a staring contest with Bubba through both hook stages, and four gens will be done by the time Dwight's dead.

So-called proxy camping works well sometimes in combination with tunneling. Hook someone, go chase someone for a second or kick a gen, and swing back around just as survivor is getting unhooked.

Facecamping punishes itself. If OP thinks he's going to average more than 1.5K a game with that as his main strategy, he's about to be even madder than he already is.

I get a lot out of Forced Penance as it is. Survivors don't ever seem to expect it.

When I first started playing the game, as survivor, I'd always feel relieved when I saw a Nurse.

"Oh, good, it's Nurse. We're in for a relaxing game."

Strongly disagree. It's a great choice when you only have a single perk slot for slowdown and need it to be passive, and it does awesome things against genrush teams that spread out and work on four different generators at the beginning of the match. Deadlock/Merciless rivals the Ruin/Undying combo because it's more reliable and can't be turned off.

There are better options if you're willing to run around the map kicking gens instead of engaging in chase (or if your killer can teleport), but Deadlock has its uses.

Yeah, but they said their goal is to increase kill rates, and getting rid of tunneling is an awesome way to do the exact opposite. Not all of us play Blight or Nurse every game.

Someone has to post it...

Will probably try camping and holding W on the ptb, unfun but necessary

you didn't prove anything

Killers always get the worst as usual, gladly some nerfs to survivor mains but unfortunately not enough, since survivor gameplay will still be braindead full of crutch, pyramid and lots of killers need a overall buff and QoL