We reduced the grind!! (except we kinda didn't) Part 2 Bloodpoint Boogaloo
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I'm happy that bp bonuses are gone, now I have 4 perk slots instead of 3
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I'm honestly not that sad that the rarer addons are actually going to be rarer
A big reason because a lot of iri's have been gutted was because they were so common
With Huntress in the past who only had iri hatchets it was very doable to have one almost every match
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As a player you should,unless you like being treated bad.
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What seems to be is that possibly the team who was working on this grind/prestige change did so with the extra BP from BBQ and WGLF being around or another means of earning the same.
That could be that perk changes had not been finalized or they were told about other means of earning the same such as the BP incentive to play the other side.
That incentive itself seems like a great idea but how does that help mains who only play one side or those who boot up with a side in mind to play depending on how they are feeling.
Using BP perks was always a choice but it seems many chose to do it. This incentive is the same choice but it could become more of a chore as its now the choice of playing a side you may not wish too for the same effect.
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I think the fact Peanits or any dev has not responded to the updated charts Knot made in response speaks for itself here, hugely.
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I don't concider it being treated bad at all.
Especially seeing how it's the same for both sides
It's not a bad thing we are going to see the strongest thing on each side less.
Maybe you'll see the niche addons from time to time now
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That incentive itself seems like a great idea but how does that help mains who only play one side or those who boot up with a side in mind to play depending on how they are feeling.
That was on my mind aswell.
Their reasoning behind removing BP bonus from WGLF and BBQ was because people felt forced to use them to help the grind a bit.
But now instead of being forced to use a certain perk you'll have to potentially play a role you don't even want to.
Very weird design choice to be honest.
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all this could be avoided by making the bp gain basekit. I am losing more and more faith in this game.
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Completely dumb design to be honest.
This is actually very right - everyone felt like picking WGLF or BBQ is a must if you wanted to progress - People who didnt pick BBQ were:
- those who wanted to test particular build that ddin't consist of BBQ (so they were single time non-BBQ users)
- those who didnt care about progression
- those unaware of BBQ's existance (mainly newbies; once someone realizes BBQ is there then he will consider it a must)
- those who had everything unlocked
I agree that certain perk being necessary to pick due to game design is a really bad idea, but removing the part of the perk people considered and calling it "a brilliant idea" and then spreading misleading propaganda is seriously not good.
Why not add the perk's "necessary" part to the base kit then just like you did with BT?
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You are happy that you will need twice more games for same thing?
Prestige costs 50k, you will need to play 2 games just to pay for basically nothing.
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Mainly it changes from 75%-100% any time I want into 0-100% sometimes.
Like every day I am going to login, find out it's 0-50% for killers and just leaves and hope it will be better anyother time....
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Also even with "incentive" it's normal to get much less BP when playing survivor btw.
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Exactly what I was wondering, they didn't improve the grind, just pissed almost everyone off.
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To anyone wondering why they devs haven't responded to the new spreadsheet... It's the weekend. Keep in mind I doubt they respond when the week begins but they def ain't responding today.
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They don't need to respond.
If you cannot do basic math, they cannot help you.
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you mean the maths KnotEnthusiast did?
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If you think the spreadsheet is flawed do the math yourself. You said its "basic" so it shouldn't take too long, no?
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What exactly do you mean by that?
Yeah, I know it's weekend, so their immediate answers shouldn't be expected.
I'm pretty sure they are going to respond later this week with simple "huh, bruh, you're wrong. Grind will be gut now. -75% you know?"
All of this nonsense would be forgotten and nobody would be mad but they need to take actions NOW and scrap the idea of BP bonus removal entirely. They either:
- Leave it as is it (which is not the best; having perk slot occupied just because of the BP bonus being necessary is bad game desing)
- Remove perk tiers (which is also really bad due to add-ons still being necessary to unlock, and in this situation grind will still be noticeable)
- Make BP bonus a part of the base kit
- cut bloodweb nodes prices IN HALF
- Multiply every action reward by x2 and increase cap from 8 000 to 16 000
Last three options would reduce the grind most effectively and I think it would make this discussion completed.
I don't know why am I even trying to suggest anything. The devs are extremely stubborn and they have proven it multiple times already.
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those last three would make a world of difference, I don't get why they are making this ass backwards approach instead.
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Because they want us to taste THEIR changes. They are the kings of this game and they want to be praised for that. Accept it or get lost.
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This sounds like a load of bull but whatever. People didnt care what WGLF or BBQ did. They only took it because it gave BP. And thats bad design. Having people take a perk just because it offers a very specific boost that doesnt help you in a match whatsoever
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Not for the same thing, since this patch will reduce grind.
BP bonuses in perks is simply bad design.
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BBQ & Chili is a serviceable perk without the BP boost. WGLF I'll grant you.
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Grind will be same / worse.
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Grind will be smaller.
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We did math, it won't.
It depends on how many characters you care about. If you actually want to play all killers for example, it will be 50% lower.
but addons will be harder to get with all those resets.
I play only one survivor, so for me it increased by 20% instead.
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I play mostly killer and I don't really care for addons, less will be still enough for me and I will save a lot of BP's thanks to this patch
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of course you will. So do I
Those changes are decent for veteran players who already have most of the grind behind us, but wait for new dlc when you have to farm 9M without BBQ.
And this is going to absolutely suck for new players. It's going to be way worse for them.
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I will have all perks on new killer imidiately, and I won't have to go through 6 x 28 bloodwebs to unlock new perks on others. Personally I can't wait
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Oh, my bad, i thought this thread is for discussion, but turns out it's for crying. My bad
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I've been observing this thread since it's original posting.
While this change does benefit me immensely, because I have many Killers P3'd, it will not help those who need it most; the new players. It may even make the grind significantly more difficult than it was, which is unacceptable.
The entire grind overhaul, prestige rework and P3 rewards have been extremely underwhelming, to say the absolute least. If I were to be as critical as I want to be, I'd suggest BHVR go back to the drawing board for all three of those things.
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If the situation won't involve or affect you then why enter the discussion? Just saying something doesn't affect you isn't a thought provoking remark and adds nothing to the conversation
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its genuinely just sad at this point. like how did this prestige overhaul even get greenlit 😭 it was so obvious that it didnt reduce the grind that much, ESPECIALLY for newer players.
also, whats with them not even giving us worthwhile rewards for slogging through the grind of this game?? getting to prestige 100 only gives you an icon? its pathetic.
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and then butcher the bp perks cause they wanted people to use other perks. Why not make it basekit then and make everyone happy?
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I don't understand the change on the perk, even if you reduce grind, you STILL need to grind a lot to get what you want. Do they really think the people that only have time to play 3 hours a day will actually be happy without bonus points? Hell, even people that got some free time suffer from these changes.
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Don't feed this troll.
He either trolls or have no idea what is he talking about. @c0gnu5, evn if you truly benefit from the changes, good for you. You're among ~1% of playerbase who will actually benefit from this. Good luck watching rest of the playerbase struggling with even worse grind than there was before and in effect probably leave the game or play more occasionally.
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Developers don't respond to posts that often because it only makes things worse. No matter what they say, you will be upset. So why even try?
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Removing the bonus to the BP from the perks is a big mistake. The game won't get any happier with this change. It's only going to get worse. Make a bonus to the BP with a basic kit or increase the points limit to 16,000
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That is not true. The devs have been proven to be wrong with their idea. Community gave them everything they needed in order to effectively limit the grind,
If they choose one of ideas provided in this topic, then their behaviour would mean that they actually think about the game's issues, so it's not like whatever they say, we would whine - no. We whine because they want to make their product worse, and we as the customers know what can be done - We simply want to make use of something we've paid for.
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If only there was some way to instantly reduce the grind by 2/3 that would also allow for a better item/add-on/offering economy...
If only we could remove perk ti....
*wakes up from insane fever dream*
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Situation the game is in basically looks as the following one:
You think whether you should go to work by car or by foot. You decide you want to drive by car because you'd have to walk 10km otherwise. Then you go to your garage and notice your car got stolen. You happily accept your fate and are thankful to the thief for caring for your health. You will improve your heart condition after all!
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According to the PTB, all my killers will be fine for the new system, too, but like you said, it's a grind for new people, for sure.
General question for anyone:
I may have missed it, but if I have Survivor X's teachable from The Shrine, do I need to get them to P2 to get Tier 2 for everyone or will Tier 1 unlock the next Tier (Tier 2) in this scenario (confusing, I know, haha).
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I don't understand how the change is making the game worse when even the spread sheets provided show it reduces the grind quite a bit. And the spread sheets don't even take into account the priority que bonus. So yeah, you are just whining to whine, and devs are over it. Congrats, you played yourselves.
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It's true, the grind was actually increased not decreased.
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Try to understand what you read. Please.
The grind reduction is around 18% according to spreadsheets. These DO NOT take into consideration BP bonus perk (+50%), so effective grind reduction is -32% aka grind is INCREASED by 32% and on top of that, 50k prestige fee is also NOT INCLUDED!!! so yeah, it's not whining just to whine. Imagine that it's not something I enjoy in particular to do.
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Alright oh dam this is the new mega thread here. I’ll put my condolences here.
While this is a good change for the game and it will help reduce the annoying grind of getting every perk. It doesn’t help new players cause they still need to get the characters and the perks. My problem with the change is how your forced to prestige and you have to spend 50,000 bp. Why reduce the grind then add a stupid price?
if I were to fix the grind the way there doing it I would
- Remove that stupid 50,000 bp prestige. Funny enough when they showed the WIP on Twitter for this change there was no price to prestige then when it came out there is. Just remove the 50,000 price.
- make it so I can still level up once I get to level 50. I hate how your forced to prestige but then you can’t get your high rarity items like UR addons. Just remove the cap so I can level up as much as I want then I can prestige when I want.
That’s honestly all I would do I have to play the incentives first to really see how much it gives you but that’s what I would do
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The Fee can stay. It's role in the entire problem is minor to none. Removal of bonus BP is. Even if you earn ~20k each match and get 3/4 stacks it's still whopping 15k BP/match LOST.
The fee can stay, bring back bonus BP
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I am so crazily disappointed. I'm disappointed and tired of stupidity of the devs during balancing. My god you have no idea how your own game works. You have no idea of UX or QoL. I legitimately have no clue how could anyone aware of DBD's economy stand up during the daily (I guess you're utilizing scrum during development) and say "Let's cut the grind and remove BP bonus). That simply blows my mind.
Should I expect to hear "We've done pretty good job so far" after the patch goes live? I'm literally about to lose my mind.
I do apologize for that rant-post. I just can't help myself when I see this game being gutted and made newbie-hostile.
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Just want to add-in. While it did make my grind significantly shorter with all of my killers at P3 and P2 level 50. It also changes another fundamental thing.
It means my grind with killer is over and just flattens my progression. Therefore making the game more unfun to play over-all as I would be playing to level up random survivors I don't really use or for more add-ons which is going to get harder to find now too.
Over-all, it just shifts things around in not a good way and only thing it adds is that all my killers get to try any build I want now instead of me having to earn it through progression.
You really needed to add actual progression incentives and charms with perk icons ain't it.
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