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Which Killers Needs Add-on Pass?
Question on title. For me;
Billy = After all his nerfs, this guy deserves at least better add-ons.
Freddy = Most of Freddy add-ons are joke and useless.
Pyramid Head = Same issue of Freddy has. Most of Pyramid add-ons are useless.
Nemesis = Nemmy actually would have good add-ons but zombies are stupid. So this makes most of add-ons are garbage. Fix zombies or rework zombie add-ons.
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Agree about Billy and Pyramid Head - most of their add-ons are trash.
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Nurse, most of her addons are bad, the only good ones are range addons. I think we should buff all her other addons to that level since her killrate is so low.
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Blight
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Nah lmao.
I'd like to see Pyramid Head, Nemesis, Hillbilly and Freddy get an addon pass just like you, but also a few changes to Slinger, namely reload addons, terror radius addons and the mangled addons.
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Pig. Again. I'd argue her last pass was a failure.
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Billy and PH add ons are ass.
Never played nemesis or freddy so not sure what kind of add ons they have
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I am not Pig main, so i can not judge her but i think she has some good add-ons from last pass.
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LMAO. Sometimes it's impossible to read posts on this forum and keep a straight face! ;)
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The only positive she gained IMO is Amanda's Letter. Everything else is at best net neutral, which is bad when she has a lot of complete trash add-ons
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All of them. I would change the addon system entirely and prune them into something easier to balance.
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Nurse (nerfs), Blight (nerfs), Freddy (buffs), Pyramid Head (buffs), Nemesis (buffs), Billy (buffs), Sadako (buffs)
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Twins, Freddy, Billy, pp head, and especially sadako
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FREDDY in the first place.
He has 1 (in words: ONE!) Addon. Its called Red Paint Brush. Everything else is a bad joke. You can hear footsteps, Grunts of Pain or a Gen louder, IF they are in Dreamword... WOOOOOOOOOOOW, so amazing...
You get Hemmorhage OR Blindness-Effect, IF survs are asleep AND interact with a Snare - for a limited time... one time its 60secs, one time 30secs, Z-Block 90sec.... WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW (other killers have addons which gives survivors Hemmorhage, Mangled and Blindness at once OR - more important - Exhausted-Status-Effect)
You get 3% or 2% faster reload for Dream Projection per Surv IN DREAM with Masterpiece / Sketch..... which gives you 1 - 1,5secs faster teleport... WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW (Demo has Addons which gives him 15% cooldown on a shred, Dredge has numbers over 20 Percent in Addons etc.)
and lets not forget the Dresses/Woolshirt, which gives 4% Penalty for failing a skill-check - The Difference: An Aura-Reading - IF you are ASLEEP - WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
3 Addons for changing Snares into Pallets: The Difference: An Aura-Reading... yea they interact in front of Freddy... but hey, nice for having Aura-Reading of this one survivor. Hell yea, its christmas. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
You cant even stop survivors while waking up, because u cant see the clocks... his addons are by far the worst in the entire game.
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Pyramid head, twins, freddy on the lower end. Nurse on the higher end.
PyHead has pretty much all useless addons except range. Twins has all useless addons except the undetectable iri, toy sword, and speed. And Freddy has all useless add-ons except paint brush.
Nurse has 3 addons that are far too strong: Range and 3 blink. Plus 2 addons that are a little too strong (recharge) and the rest are pretty much useless.
Blight has 2 that are far too strong and 2 that are a little too strong. And a handful that are useless. But also a handful of decent and fine ones so in terms of killers that have more problems with their addons overall blight isn't very high up there so I don't think he's hte most due for an entire pass of his addons compared to the others.
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1) The Spirit
DCB needs a rework, it takes most of the skill out of her, especially with the iron will nerf incoming, it could be used for something else.
A lot of Spirit's addons are largely useless, including Mother's Glasses, Senko Hanabi, Rusty Flute, Wakazashi Saya etc. These addons have really unique concepts, yet some of the numbers/effects are way too minute to actually offer value during gameplay. May I also mention she also has MDR which is quite literally one of the top 3 iris in the game (down to opinion) and then Kintsugi Teacup which whilst sounding good in concept, ends up rarely giving much value.
I think Spirit needs a bit of balancing, not a full on addon rework. Here are some ideas:
Kintsugi Teacup
- Instantly recharges Yamaoka's Haunting after damaging a generator, vaulting a window and breaking a pallet or breakable wall.
- Reduces the duration of Yamaoka's Haunting by 0.5 seconds.
Dried Cherry Blossom
- Increases the volume of Survivors' breathing, grunts of pain and footsteps by 25% during Yamaoka's Haunting.
- Scratch marks are no longer visible during Yamaoka's Haunting.
Mother-Daughter Ring
- Increases movement speed during Yamaoka's Haunting by 40%.
- Increases The Spirit's terror radius and directional-phase cue radius by 8 metres.
- Scratch marks are no longer visible during Yamaoka's Haunting.
Wakizashi Saya
- During Yamaoka's Haunting, press the Active Ability button to immediately return to the Husk.
- Survivors within 8 metres of the Husk trigger killer instinct and suffer from the Hindered status effect.
Mother's Glasses
- Phasing within 16 metres of a generator triggers a difficult skill check for all survivors repairing the generator.
- Failing the skill check results in an extra 1% regression to the normal failed skill check reduction.
Senko Hanabi
Successfully hitting a survivor in a post-phase attack calls on the Entity to block all pallets in a 16-metre radius for 15 seconds.
Rusty Flute
- Increases the recovery rate of Yamaoka's Haunting by 25%.
- Survivors in the Spirit's terror radius are hindered by 2% and suffer from a 10% action speed penalty whilst Yamaoka's Haunting recharges.
2) The Artist
The Artist actually has some great addons, but again I think some tuning is needed. Here are some ideas:
Matias' Baby Shoes
The auras of Survivors within 7 metres of an idle Dire Crow are revealed to you for 4 seconds.
Iridescent Feather
Grants the Undetectable status effect when Birds of Torment is on cooldown.
Garden of Rot
- Survivors swarmed by Dire Crows suffer from the Incapacitated status effect.
- Survivors who complete the Repel action suffer from the Exposed and Incapacitated status effect for 5 seconds.
- Reduces the maximum amount of Dire Crows by 1.
Severed Tongue
- Reduces the duration of which The Artist requires to send Dire Crows into flight by 0.5 seconds.
- Increases the flight speed of Dire Crows by 20%.
Severed Hands
- Any survivor within a 5 metre radius of a survivor which is swarmed will have their aura revealed for 8 seconds.
- A survivor who performs a healing action or repairs a generator with a swarmed survivor will also be swarmed.
3) The Onyro
I feel a lot of The Onyro's addons don't actually feel worth bringing into the match, just because their effects seem so impractical. I actually love her design and kit and I feel some nice addon changes would really help her out.
Mother's Comb and Ring Drawing become Base Kit effects.
Cabin Sign
Reduces the time it takes for a TV to turn on after Projection by 20 seconds.
Old Newspaper
- Increases the invisibility duration after Manifesting by 33%.
- Manifestation is 5% faster.
Yoichi's Fishing Net
- Decreases the maximum amount of Condemned stacks by 1.
- Increases the rate at which Condemned builds by 13% whilst holding a VHS tape.
Well Stone
- All TVs play the Projection effects after The Onyro projects to a TV.
- Reduces the time it takes for a TV turned off by a survivor to turn on by 10 seconds.
Sea-Soaked Cloth
- Powered TVs play The Onyro's directional lullaby in an 8 metre radius.
- Survivors within 8 metres of a Powered TV do not hear The Onyro's real directional lullaby.
Reiko's Watch
- Increases the invisibility duration after Manifesting by 50%.
- Manifestation is 10% faster.
Clump of Hair
- Decreases the range at which The Onyro is visible while Demanifested by 12 metres.
- Manifestation is silent.
Rickety Pinwheel
- Survivors within 8 metres of a powered TV suffer from the Oblivious and Blindness status effects.
- These effects linger for 15 seconds after leaving the 8 metre radius or if the TV is turned off.
Ring Drawing
- A survivor on a generator with a Condemned survivor gains Condemnation at a 20% speed than the usual rate.
- A survivor unhooked by a Condemned survivor will gain 1 stack of Condemnation.
Mother's Comb
Reduces the amount of Condemnation stacks reduced after inserting a tape by 1.
Bloody Fingernails
Increases the speed boost after Projection by 2 seconds, in which The Onyro is granted the Undetectable status effect.
Well Water
- Increases the duration of the Undetectable status effect after manifesting by any means by 2.5 seconds.
- After using Projection, The Onyro's directional lullaby is silent for 20 seconds.
VCR
- Projection is silent for any survivors within 16 metres of a powered TV.
- Projection is 25% faster.
Telephone
- Causing a survivor to witness manifestation from within 7 metres turns on all TVs that they have previously retrieved or inserted a tape into.
- Survivors witnessing manifestation within 7 metres suffer from the Hindered status effect.
Tape Editing Desk
- Each survivor starts the Trial with a VHS tape in their possession, their target TV being the farthest from their location.
- All TVs turn on immediately at the start of the trial.
Distorted Photo
After using Projection, all survivors within 16 metres of a powered TV have their auras revealed for 3 seconds.
Remote Control
Increases the range at which The Onyro inflicts Condemnation on survivors through nearby Projection by 8 metres.
Let me know what you think :)
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Nurse is kinda balanced with bad add-ons. Her basekit is so strong to having good add-ons.
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Nemesis. His are so boring. That's probably mainly because his power is just boring though. And there should be even more references. Swap out stuff like the little injectors and syringes. They are boring. Especially when we know they were gonna have more stuff like Mr. X's hat. Where was that? That should've been there unless they had plans to bring him in after.
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Do you have any hope for Wesker chapter?
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Bubba needs some addon love - most of them are pretty silly as they nerf his chainsaw rev time too much.
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I’d love to see Artist get one. Her iris especially are so terrible.
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I mean remember that this is an add-on pass you're proposing, so why shoot this down? An add-on pass for Nurse wouldn't just mean making her other add-ons more viable, it would also mean nerfing her already strong add-ons.
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How you would make her add-ons viable without making Nurse broken? Her most add-ons are meme for a reason.
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What I can think of from urgent order is
1) Freddy - Red Paint Brush is only useful. Even his nerfed basekit do not make him rely much on add-ons because he's already so bad.
2) Hillbilly, Deathslinger - Both killers' add-on choice is so limited and do not make them strong enough.
3) Pyramid Head, Nemesis - Decent basekit. But add-ons overall are so stupidly bad.
4) Nurse, Spirit - Their good add-ons are very powerful but both have so many gimmicky bad add-ons.
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I'd provide an answer, but I must admit I cannot think of any right now. I'd have to mull it over. That said, at the very least, she could use an add-on pass for the sake of nerfing some of her stronger add-ons, namely those range add-ons.
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You can answer question any time you want. I would like to see changes on your mind.
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Ph, Freddy, Billy, Sadako, Deathslinger needs an addon pass asap. Their only a few addons useable (range addons for Ph, Freddy doesnt even have a good addon lmao, engravings for Billy, iri tape for Sadako and reload addons for Deathslinger).
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Hope for what? The chapter as a whole to be good? Add-ons being better and more unique? Or a Tyrant?
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Chapter in general. Let's say rumors are true and we have Wesker as killer, Rebecca and Ada as survivors. And ofcourse Wesker's power, add-ons etc. Do you have any hope this chapter will be better
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Sadako is due for a full balance pass. It probably would have happened this midchapter but the big reworks delayed it. Either way I’m pretty she’ll be the next character with a full pass on her base kit and add-ons.
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If they chose to just throw Wesker Uroboros into the game, new chapter will be a fail. Wesker Uroboros is the tutorial on how to make a legendary villain looks like a clown.
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Deathslinger needs new add-ons so badly and Ghostface too. Both killers had some add-ons changed but most of their add-ons are still the worst in the game.
Pyramid's add-ons are decent from brown to green (except for the killer instinct ones). The purple and iri add-ons need some help though.
Freddy once had good add-ons... Before they gutted his best ones. Just revert the nerf, please.
Bubba's add-ons are also worthless, with the exception of the speed add-ons, the chillis and iri flesh.
Nurse has the range add-ons and some others that give her small buffs. The rest is pretty thrash, especially the red ones.
Spirit's green add-ons were decent before they changed it forbad gimmick ones. Just revert the nerf.
Not to mention killers whose majority of add-ons are decent, but have a portion that makes no sense. Hag with her trap activation range add-ons and Pinhead with the add-ons that give more range to his chains.
The rest of the cast have okayish add-ons.
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Nemisis, pyramid head, Onyro
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I hope so, I've been having some fun with her again lately but she could use some help, nevermind an add-on tweak or 3
Edit: wasn't it last reported twins were still up next for their balance pass? Or was that dropped?
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Pyramid Head and Freddy as others have said. They just need addons that are worth running. At least PH has range add ons.
Nurse doesn't need an addon rework, but her range addons either need to be reworked into a completely different effect or modified to be something other than "remove all counter play".
The main counter play with Nurse is getting her to miss blinks and making distance. The range addons speed up her blinks so it's less punishing to miss long blinks and it's harder to get distance. Nurse also has a weakness that it's easy for her to win a chase, but more difficult for her to traverse the entirety of large maps. Range addons basically make it so she can traverse the entire map easily.
If the developers want to the range addons to still be there, I think they could be modified to either decrease blink speed equivalent to the extra range so that she has the same blink speed and/or increase fatigue for missed blinks. Possibly just both. If you only increase fatigue, it only affects Nurse players who miss blinks more frequently (mid to low level Nurses) and doesn't really affect amazing Nurse players. The speed by itself still makes it possible to just miss a blink and then catch up to the survivor who was getting distance.
They could also just completely rework them to something else like they did with Legion's frenzy cooldown add ons.
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The choices of characters is never an issue for me. I've always said this. Especially when they first revealed that they were doing a chapter. Some people really though that the daughters or someone from 8 would be the killer. Now that wouldn't be my first choice but I would have still been happy with it. IF you do them correctly of course. If the killer ended up being some super obscure character then I'd still be happy as long as it's accurate enough.
For the rumors of what Wesker could possibly be doing with his power, I think it sounds just as bad or possibly worse since it makes even less sense. Like if Wesker did possibly end up with an AI Tyrant I would hate that. The Tyrant in the first RE... Well I would love that as his own killer but as people know, it just absolutely obliterates Wesker as soon as it gets out. If it was Mr. X which would be even more weird because he never interacted with him in the game, he should simply be his own thing. Wesker should just be himself. Now I say that assuming it'll be Code Veronica/RE4/RE5 Wesker with his powers of course. Just let HIM do his thing. I want to control my own powers and not rely on AI.
Now I am also worried about the models of course. Everyone already knows how I feel about the current ones. Everyone besides Leon to me is either bad looking or weird.
Hopefully Wesker has lines.
I'm still excited which is my curse. It'll probably lead to disappointment. I HOPE I'm wrong. I really do. The first chapter didn't leave a good taste in my mouth though obviously. So basically to quickly say how I feel here at the end, I'm still excited to just see it (which will probably just lead to massive disappointment) and even though I'm excited I don't think it'll be good (and if I'm wrong I'll gladly eat my words).
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Yeah i agree with your point, even i love first RE chapter.
They should go for RE 5 Wesker. And AI Tyrant looks terrible idea, we already have 2 braindead zombies for Nemmy.
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There are a lot of them that need some love:
Trapper: trapper sack isn't good for being a purple addon for the simple fact that you CANNOT PICK UP YOUR TRAPS ONCE SETTLED for the entire trial. The addons that boost your set up speed are ok, as the Trapper bag that will add another trap in your hands, the others are too much gimmick or straight up worthless (except for the iri addons and the honing stone, which are a bit underpowered for being addons with that kind of rarity).
Wraith: well, most of his addons aren't bad, but his main problem is that his basekit was nerfed (like if he was a s tier killer) and now he just sucks without both the addons that will uncloack him faster in order for being somewhat viable. The addon that cause blindness and the one that will help you to see bloodpools better while cloaked are borderline useless.
Hillbilly: most of his addons are either gimmick or worthless, decisely he needs a complete addon rework.
Nurse: she needs some little modifications on her basekit imo and she needs the long range addons fixed (not nerfed, fixed since they are actually bugged and the blink charge isn't slowed as the addons say). I would rework some of his farming addons (3 addons for farming are a bit too much after all, without mentioning that 2 of those will nerf your power).
Huntress: except for a couple of addons that are a bit underwhelming I would dare saying that she's fine as she is right now.
Hag: same as above.
Doctor: well, he needs some buffs to his basekit and the addons that modify his shocking attack are garbage, everything else is fine.
Clown: again, most addons are gimmick or useless, the recharge addon is fine as the addons that will give you more bottles... I would improve his invigorating effects (and they shouldn't have effect on survivors too).
Deathslinger: oh boy... Nerfed too much his basekit, his addons aren't good at all... He needs a complete rework (or reverting his nerf and buffing some of his addons).
Oni: some addons aren't much useful, but aside those addons everything else is in a good spot.
Myers: only addons that make sense are the ones that speed up his stalking speed, the others are meme addons or addons too much weak/strong (extremely weak if you are aganist good survivors, overkill if you are against inexperienced survivors), he needs buffs to his basekit
Leatherface: except the faster token recharge and both chili, i don't see any reason to pick up the other addons who are worthless
Freddy: shall i wrote something? for real? i guess everyone will agree that his addons are completely useless
Pig: well... she has only 3/4 addons that improve her ambush attack, the others are focused on her traps... still her addons aren't good
Spirit: she was nerfed too much and now she's BARELY viable only with her 2 strongest addons (i say barely cause survivors will always know when you are phasing in their positions). she need a rework
Legion: this killer needs a proper rework from the basis, not the "rework" that devs did to him... addons are underwhelming
Plague: good spot, i would personally gave her addons that will incentive survivors to cleanse (more % penalty to reparing/searching chests IF they refuse to cleanse once FULLY infected)
Ghostface: his best addons are the brown ones... shall i keep going? awful addons
Demogorgon: meh... his addons aren't completely useless, but they aren't good either...
Pyramidhead: only the addons that improve your range are decent, everything else is useless
Blight: good addons, he's fine
Twins: they had nerfed her best addons that reduce the charge time for doing a pounce... they need a complete rework
trickster: addons that improve the duration of main event are trash, ricochet blades should be a brown/yellow addon, his iri addons are situational
Nemesis: again, nerfed 2 addons that weren't even good to begin with (the ones that improve the zombie speed and detection range), all his addons are underwhelming, need buffs
Cenobite: similar to nemesis except for his purple addon (should be impaling wire) that's ok, everything else is mediocre or straight up useless (hello gateway range addons)
Artist: well, a couple of good addons, everything else is average
Sadako: the killer itself is the problem sadly... some addons aren't bad, but she's too much weak generally speaking
Dredge: except the one that will reduce the time to destroy locks and the ones that will reduce the time for nightfall (hook/injure a survivor for gaining a faster charge and the one that improve the speed of the nightfall meter when a survivor is injured by 66%), the others are bad
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Range, Recharge, and Jenner's. Really the only good ones she has that aren't mini versions of her personal perks.
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Freddy: almost all his addons are bad except red paint brush and some others are only a bit useful. The kiiller with worst addons in DBD imo.
Demogorgon: his best addons are two brown addons (black heart and rat liver) and a yellow addon (Barb's glasses), almost the rest of his addons are mediocre at best, except the red ones which are not awesome anyway considering their rarity.
Nemesis: mediocre addons in general.
Pyramid head: the only good ones are the power distance ones and maybe the power duration ones, his purple and red addons are a complete joke specially the red ones.
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Freddy and Nemesis
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May I add Bubba, Legion and Ghostface to your list?
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Legion feels better after last update, idk about her. I am playing her (Susie) time to time, she is looks good to me
Ghostface is def.
Bubba... If they nerf his camp gameplay, i am not against buff him.
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Pyramid Head has the single worst selection of addons in the game.
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