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Yet another nurse complain discussion
So my opinion: basekit nurse strong, however with good survivors bareable, this arguement applies only to high mmr
Nobody is playing as basekit nurse, the whole counterplay of making distance by her mistakes being neglected by range and recharge add-ons, they are absolutley broken and renders all jukes barely usefull
She is not that hard to learn, you don't need much games to became average nurse, it's just takes muscle memory and knowlege of survivor loop routes, yes it takes a lot of games to become master nurse, however, difficulity should not defy strenght of killer, take hillbilly as example, he is extremely hard to master, even harder than nurse in my opinion, but the reward for being high skill hillbilly incompareable to nurse. Also her stupidly high lunge speed after blink makes it almost impossible to miss survivor
Yes, she is one of the killers that can fight HIGH SKILL 4 man swf, but, the truth is that most swfs are just friends that want to play game and chill, you can nerf nurse but you can't nerf swf because by nerfing swf you will punish casual players that just want to play with. Also don't be MR WHATABAUTIST, nurse is problem and should be fixed, we all know swf is also unfun, however we are talking about nurse here.
She is not fun to play as and against for most of the people, there are no "big" streamers that playing nurse just because they want to, if they are playing nurse, they are most likely doing some streak or having goofy build, because this is just boring to play without a challenge as nurse, simply because it's too easy.
She ignores fundamental aspects of dbd such as windows and pallets, i know ranged killer can ignore them too but it takes certain situation and skill, nurse requiers nothing, even baby nurse can avoid pallets and windows
You can counter legion by splitting and not healing, you can counter senobite by solving lament and breaking chains by obstacles, you can counter ranged killers by just looping and not locking you in animation, and LOS thing ofc, you can counter trapper/hag by disarming their traps, you can counter dredge by locking lockers and chaining loops, anyway, that's a bit too long, my point is you can't counter nurse, the whole """counterplay""" is prediction by both sides, who will predict better wins, you can make some distance if you are predicting better buuuut remember addons. The truth is the only counter to nurse is 4 good playing survivors, not even swf, but man, this is counter to every killer
I really wish after upcoming perk changes her killrate will rise, and she will be nerfed
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He kinda is though. He gets punished a lot more for mistakes and requires a lot more precision to hit around loops. You also have to learn how to play each loop properly
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Well, you are the 10% of nurse players and 85% statistics on the internet are made up, my point is I havent seen basekit nurse like for a year?
And yes, hillbilly is harder to master than nurse, you know how much good nurses you've seen? And how much good hillbillys?
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That's because they butchered Billy and he's is not hard to master he is easy just map dependent. Nurse is hard to learn and master because some can't get that muscle memory and have to use the plad cloth to get a simple target to where the blink is going to go.
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I am not talking about amount of god nurses and billies, only percentage, but yeah this still applieable since billy is bad so a lot of good players left him and new players don't want to waste time for no reward
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“the truth is that most swfs are just friends that want to play game and chill”
most nurses just want to play the game and chill too.
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In a game where you can get camped by Bubba or get tunneled by Pig with active trap on - things that actually have 0 counterplay I have decided that people who claim Nurse has no counterplay are just bad survivors sorry
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Where in my comment did I talk about God Tier nurse. I was pointing out that Billy isnt as hard to master than Nurse.
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The difference is bubba will loose game by doing this, such as pig most likely, not to mention there is possible counterplay, your teammates just have to leave so you can escape through hatch
Also there should not be things with no possible counterplay
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That's tricky part, most nurses are sweat lords with main objective to 4k no matter what, even with 3 dcs no nurse will give hatch, their choice ofc, but for some reason other killers are giving hatch way more frequently
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Muscle memory is like 30 games, then you will get better, learning every loop curve as billy requiers way more games, anyway, as I mentioned before, difficulity of killer should not defy his strenght
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It’s not even kinda. Billy is way harder than Nurse. Billy isn’t the only one harder.
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Then you must be a god player to get muscle memory in 30 games because I can't. I boe to your greatness of they Nurse skill
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Anyway, that's not the subject of discussion
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Yeah I honestly agree, a bunch of killers are harder to learn then nurse
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One has to ask: which? (Please don’t say Spirit...)
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Another Nurse thread. I'll bite....
In nearly every one of these threads, Nurse players reply and explain what works against them. And the collective response for whatever reason is typically "No" or they're straight up ignored.
Yes, it takes a long time to master Nurse. The same can be said of playing survivor against Nurse. It takes a long time to become good at running a Nurse. If you don't try, or you keep trying the same things that didn't work against the last 50 Nurses you played, you are probably not doing something correctly.
I can't remember the last Nurse I faced that I couldn't run for at least a minute if I had two health states to work with. I've run into one genuinely good one with around 7k hours in the last few months, but every other one was pretty average. What gets teams killed are the one or two survivors who can't stay up for 20 seconds. But that's no different than any other killer in solo queue if we're being honest.
Survivors typically fall into two categories when they struggle against Nurse: A- they're not running early enough, they're being way too greedy on gens, or they're just wildly out of position when a chase starts. B- they have one very basic move they try, and they're out of ideas after that.
It's usually a combination of A and B. Survivors are throwing if a Nurse consistently gets within 15 meters of a gen and sees a survivor working on it throughout the game. There's zero upside in giving her chases for an extra 5% on a gen that isn't about to pop. All the time spent making her find you and catch up to you is time other survivors have on gens. Her biggest weakness is stealth and survivors are super aggro against her for absolutely no reason.
When it comes to the actual chase, I would almost guarantee 99% of people who say LOS doesn't work aren't breaking LOS like they think they are. Players often account for her first blink and not her follow up. You have to break LOS again on the assumption that she gets LOS after the first blink. Simply doubling back at the corner will never, ever work against an experienced Nurse. Stop doing that. It's terrible advice and I don't understand why people keep saying to do it. Go around the corner and look for a secondary LOS break. It doesn't matter where it is. You're not running the tile, so you don't need to hug it. It's just there to block LOS. Use the Z walls at the edge of the map. Use trees. Use something, and remember that sudden left and right movement royally messes with her 2nd blink accuracy.
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i always give hatch but people like you make me not wanna lol, also just because you lost doesn't mean the killer was sweating. also its annoying when people try to clump everyone in together, maybe dont try to speak for people you dont even know you are not a nurse main and your personal experiences do not = everyone elses experiences.
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Hillbilly, Twins, and Blight but I think nurse is number 4 or five
And while I think spirit is trickier than some to learn I picked up on how to play her decently fast.
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Billy
Pinhead
Blight
Pyramid Head
Artist
Plague
Oni
Deathslinger
Twins
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Most of the maps simply don't have second LOS breaker, and a lot of times only one available is at the edge of map, tree doesn't work against nurse, come on, she can see you walk behind that tree, and two important things, this is true only for basekit nurse, and you should have iron will and maybe dead hard
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Hillbilly isn't that difficult unless you are curve billy and you can only be so good at curving as it doesn't really work against good survivors who don't hug tiles. I should know I played billy for quite a long time, his chainsawing is fairly easy and simple you only really need to focus on chainsaw pathing and how to get downs with the chainsaw besides that and curving he really isn't that difficult just frustrating with his overheating.
twins are only hard because of the jank and bugs, but you can do fairly well as them quite easily once you learn how victor works, and even if you learn how victor works the jank can still mess you up as well as the current survivor meta not favoring the twins.
blight is easy to pick up and learn off the bat because his power is ramming into walls and doing charge attacks, sure you can count the techs to increase the difficulty, but bhrv says its an exploit so going off base blight you just need to know what obstacles you can hit off of and what angles you need to go from to get a hit. Though have to admit blight is awful on console because you can't do half of the things you can do on pc with him and for some reason, the turn rate feels much much lower on console and I don't know why the same thing with oni.
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What are people like me? Yes, that's my personal experience that every nurse is clutching for 4k, sweat is just phrase, I've been nurse main, it's boring to win every game so I am no longer, it's true that my personal experience is not equal everyone elses experiences, I've asked some friends, they also haven't seen nurse that wasn't sweating and not giving hatch if there are a lot of dcs, also a lot of nurse complaining threads are proving my point, so maybe it's not so my personal experience?
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oh my, a god nurse that never loses ill just have to take your word for it.
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That's the old time before mmr arrived, btw you didn't answer my question and argument
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I just don't see how people say he's harder than Nurse to learn I find him easy to control unless it's on a indoor or garden
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I think he meant master, the peak of hillbilly is curvebilly, and this is incredibly hard to master
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That's what I mean too I find it easy unless like I said it's on a indoor or the horrible Garden if Pain
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You'll have to explain what you mean exactly by "curvebilly". Flick-turns?
About breaking LoS, one trick that may work is simply crouching at the landing point of the Nurse, slightly behind, and turn with her. "May" because it asks for some precision. It may require to play with a gamepad but it's still an uncommon move so its worth it. (It also works against other killers but for some reason many survivors don't try this one on Nurse) OTR may be required after the next update though. If the music stops, it's game over.
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never understood why people think flicking to do a curve with billy chainsaw is difficult. if you can't play billy very well, than your probably not going to be doing well with like 90% of the killers in this game. Billy just can't curve good survivors effectively anymore. he lost his chainsaw feathering and his tile-set play with add-on changes. I think I completely agree with your post.
Nurse definitely has highest skill-floor and highest skill-ceiling without question. I think people like @Phasmamain confuse a killer being under powered with difficult to play.
part of the reason why hillibilly had high skill-cieling in the past was because he could control the outcome of the chases with his chainsaw skills. He lost that control and with it, his skill-ceiling. Nurse retains complete control over outcome of the chase, so her skill-ceiling is untouched, for now.
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Well I play Oni very well and I learned how to "flick" with him so maybe that's why
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I used to play him all the time as well. now a days I prefer blight. his balance is better.
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So for whatever reason you don't go up against equally-skilled nurses in your region, and you're trying to explain how to go against Nurse to those who do already go against equally-skilled actually-good nurses in our region a lot.
How nice.
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most swfs are sweat lords with main objective to 4e no matter what
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Not sure what my region has to do with it. I've done 1v1 custom games against Nurses from all regions. I've been wrecked by Xeno and Alf and some great Nurses from SA as well. My point is that survivors are often not utilizing correct counterplays against Nurse, which leads them to think they must be facing god tier Nurses all the time.
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That is very interesting. Personally I simply think a attack nerf would be enough. Change her attacks to special attacks and change her add-ons.
Besides that I would like to know something: If I break LOS at the Killer shack, she teleports right behind me - what should I do? Run towards and get hit? Double back and get hit? Like in most senarios and based on what map you get - you can't do much. Especially at how busted Range Addons are on her.
I just know that a good nurse will destroy you. The only thing that can potentially safe u is DH. :x
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I'd be ok with nerfing range and making her blinks attacks not instadown.
For shack specifically, I like to break LOS around a corner for 2 or 3 steps and then sidestep away from shack. It looks like a hard W commit from her perspective but she's wrong if she prediction blinks it or corner blinks it. It's almost like you're drawing the letter Z with your survivor if that makes sense. If she corner blinks, her follow up is a bit tougher because she has to account for open space all around you as opposed to a shack wall blocking you in one direction. So even if she sees you and goes to follow up, you can juke left or right, double back on her second blink, or fake it and keep making distance.
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Thank you for your input. I'm gonna use that information in the upcoming trials!
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My favourite are people who genuinely think nurse is the hardest killer.
I only play her for tome challenges that needs you to kill 3 or more survivors with some trash perks, because with her its still the easiest way to get it first game.
Stopped playing her normally since I dont like easy modes in games
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I just don't have enough patience for arguing with people on the forums anymore, just take it as a win or whatever floats your boat, there is no amount of things I can say about it to convince you otherwise because when people argue on the forums its not like they go into it with the intent to be convinced. I would rather just be wrong then continue this any longer lol, I don't want to argue about this because either way its just a frustrating experience. That's why I don't want to continue this any longer.
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