Tunneling is a good thing. CHANGE MY MIND
I'm a survivor main tunneling is one of the best things that can be done to a survivor. Instead of being scared your whole gaming experience and just going down in chase in 5 seconds you should get in as many chases as possible to learn from your mistakes and to get better at looping. You don't have to end up being the ultimate looper ,but getting tunneled puts you in a position where you either go down right away and learn from your mistakes or you waste enough of the killers time for your friends to get more gens done. if more people would embrace the tunnel and get better at looping tunneling would have much less of an effect and the killers would do it less. Tunneling ultimately puts a killer at a huge disadvantage if you loop him for even lets say 25 seconds after the unhook as long as team mates are doing gens. Even if you don't get more gens done its still a great learning experience since you don't have time to heal and its basically time to literally run for your life as you are 1 hit away and on the verge of 3rd hook or getting put on second. I really don't see why people complain about it there's not much to do in this game except for do gens or loop and your going to have to learn to do both efficiently if you want to become a better player.
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Its not learning from your mistakes when the killer continuously runs after you right off the hook and there literally is nothing you can do about it. Your expectation seems to be for survivors to have some kind of competitive or high skilled mindset playing this game when that is not the reality at all. Most survivors can't run or loop killer like the top MMR players can and they probably never will. Survivors shouldn't have to turn a game into a job to be good enough to prevent something that killers shouldn't be doing in the first place. People just want to have fun and for survivors there is nothing less fun that being ran down by a killer right off the hook, especially early in the game.
Tunneling is a BAD thing and its bad for this game.
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Better than sitting on a gen all game. At least being chased you're in the action and gens you just sit there, press space, and look around for the killer.
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It doesn't take that much to learn how to loop for 25 seconds. With bt and now with base kit bt you can get to a loop 8/10. Like I said you don't have to be the ultimate looper but if you don't know how to loop and don't try to learn you are just going to hinder your team from getting wins. People want to have fun right well looping is fun I don't see what's fun about holding m1 and sitting there doing a gen. You do not have to try to be a try hard survivor just to do the minimal amount of looping to help your team. Every single game you play is a learning experience and you get better the more experience you get.
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Survivors shouldn't have to turn a game into a job to be good enough
Meanwhile DBD is a job for killers..
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I would prefer to play DBD, not chase and die simulator.
If I need to improve my skills I just start a game with a friend 1v1 to practice
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But that is the case for the other 3 survivors. They are not being chased and it is just one surv being tunneled, so the other 3 have to sit on gens the entire time (or occasionally take a protec hit). Tunneling and camping ARE one of the reasons why survivors "gen-rush", cause the killer won't chase them and instead is focusing on one specific survivor until that survivor is dead.
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At some point the killer has to end up chasing everyone in most games so you will get your turn unless you have a god tier looper on your team. If the killer gets gen rushed then tunneling didn't work and your team wins.
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I hear a lot of IF's in your OP.
Not interested in changing your mind.
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So what do you play press m1 simulator? Your going to get chased sooner or later the more you get chased the better you get and the less you die.
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I love interacting with the killer. I much prefer interacting with the killer than doing gens any day. What I don't like is being put into a situation that puts me in a seemingly impossible situation where I feel powerless to do anything about it. I have tried getting better at looping and escaping tunnels and in the rare occasion I do but most of the time me suddenly going into "pro gamer" mode to avoid a tunnel is not going to end well. I have no other incentive to play this game other than for my own entertainment. I'm not going to stress myself out every time I play this game to try to deal with toxic killers who think its Ok to rush down someone right off the hook. If theres anything unsportsmanlike in this game, its tunneling.
I don't know how the new changes are going to affect tunneling. I will try it out when it goes live but honestly I don't see killer mains giving up on trying regardless if BT is base kit. They will figure something out to keep doing it and if they can't we'll just hear more complaining about something that should've been rooted out of this game years ago.
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I just want one person to tell me why they dont want to get chased and get better.
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I've had plenty of matches where the killer never tunneled or camped and still won (4k). You don't have to do this to win and honestly if getting a 4k is that important to a killer or to be considered a win is it really a game anymore at that point?
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I'm sure when you first started playing and got tunneled you went down a lot faster than you do now. That right there shows improvement and that tunneling helped you get better. Its not unsportsmanlike to tunnel its the killers job to kill you that's the only thing they are supposed to do with mmr being a thing that's the win condition. So in the same way you don't like getting tunneled killers don't like losing because they cant get kills. Camping on the other hand is a HUGE problem in this game if its done before end game.
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Yes its still a game not everyone plays games casually. The majority of people who play games is to win or to achieve something not just to have fun almost all games are challenging to some degree even party games like mario party or fall guys or among us.
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I've been playing this game for nearly 2,500 hours as a survivor main. I've gotten a lot better at running the killer than I was when I first started. That time serves little to no help whatsoever when dealing with a killer thats right in your face right off the hook. Theres a difference between running the killer and running the killer right off the hook. Its a much different situation when the setup there favors the killer and especially so if you have a team that isn't willing to try to take hits for you to buy you time. Its all situational but in most situations tunneled survivors are going to find themselves out of the match faster than it took them to find one.
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I am guessing that those are just my games, but in my survivor games, WHEN someone is being tunneled, then it is either
- One guy being tunneled out fast, 2nd guy being tunneled out, other 2 being slugged for the 4k
- One guy loops for long enough for 3 gens or more to pop, 2nd guy gets camped until death and the other 2 escape
I rarely get games that someone gets tunneled and then the killer proceeds to stop tunneling or camping. Usually killers go all the way and tunnel or camp through everyone and I cannot really blame them. Already started it, might as well finish with it.
And yeah even though the tunnel didn't work if you only got 1 kill by tunneling, it still feels eh for the rest when all they had to do was hold M1, while the actual surv who did most of the hard work died.
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That's exactly what tunneling strategy does: 1 people get chased and the other 3 sitting all the time playing m1 simulator. You repeat again and when the 2v1 comes, you basically win. Tunneling turns the game into an awful atmosphere expecially when it's not necessary (most of survs can't loop efficiently), and the game is screwed after few minutes
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Yea but your team won so you did your job.
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OP is right! If anything, the killer tunneling you is doing you a favor. I hear that chases are the only fun things in the game, so what better than to get chased the entire time? You're complaining about not being able to play the game, but what's the rest of the game if you aren't getting chased? Sitting on a generator? BORING! You're in chase the ENTIRE time. That's thrilling! Only reason why you could be mad is you're unhappy that the killer didn't let you get healed and post up at the main building of Garden of Joy for next chase. That would be pretty dumb of the killer to let you do that
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If your team mates are doing gens then the game will be over quick and you win and if not your going to end up getting chased anyways. If you die and 3 get out then your team won.
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You've never been unhooked in the killer's face without BT and running DH have you?
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And I'll never understand why there are some players who see the value in playing this game on any higher level than casually. DBD is just a hide and seek game with a horror theme. What reason do people have to be exceptional at a game like this? This game is all about the shenanigans. All about the crazy reckless fun. Its a very simple and straight forward game that friends can goof off in and have fun. I just don't see the value in being a "pro gamer" in a game like this. Do people really want DBD to be some kind of competitive themed game? I promise you thats not why people started playing this game and after 6 years its clear to me its not what most people want.
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About the job part...
My first game today was against a youtube streamer who was attempting a 50 win streak. I just wanted a casual fun match and they tunneled some poor guy at 5 gens while using the best add-ons and perks... They literally pit you against people playing this game as a job sometimes and it's infuriating.
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To be fair, if Killers dont tunnel and able 3-4K, their skill is good enough to increase MMR.
I just never understand why Killers tunnel one out in 3mins, 4K in under 6 hooks, then complain about high MMR. Their skill is certainly not suit to be in high MMR.
My win condition is to double hooks survivors, then slug them instead of last hook. I keep my killer MMR low just to not stress out. It doesnt have to be 4K streak to feel like Im winning life
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But in the most boring way possible. Chase will always be the fun part of DBD and not (or barely) getting chased because the killer decides to tunnel someone out and ignore you is not a great feeling and just makes the game feel stale. Winning may be nice, but it is not a great feeling when you won by only holding M1 the entire time. It just doesn't feel rewarding.
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If they tunnel someone out someone's getting chased again by the end of the game. Unless you came in there ready to gen rush with bnp's
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And when people start playing the game like this its not really a game anymore in my opinion. Instead why can't people do things like this but do it in a way that makes it more challenging for them, like winning all 50 without tunneling, since they're treating it like a challenge. People coming up with their own challenges that can force them to play in a toxic manner in turn makes the game miserable for others. If they tunnel to accomplish this, did they really win? I guess in their mind they did.
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What reason do people have a reason to be exceptional at any game the same reason as this. the reason a killer tunnels in the first place is because they know you are weak at looping so the best way to get better is for you to get chased.
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Yes they did exactly and they did exactly what they were supposed to do. Why do they have to do all these extra things that maybe you like doing to enjoy the game the way they are playing it.
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You are completely missing the point. I am not talking about to win or lose the game, I am just saying that hard tunneling does not offer anything to anyone in the game. Playing m1 simulator or chase simulator during all the trial is completely nosense, even though you escape thankfully to the tunneling one surv, you can consider it a win?
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It offers experience to people who don't know how to loop well lol. Yes its considered a win this is a team game its supposed to be played 4v1 this is the biggest problem I have is the 1v1v1v1v1 mentality. The point of playing games is to win right and if you say no then you shouldn't worry about if you got tunneled because you don't care about winning.
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What is a game you think people should play competitively?
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Exactly I don't care if I can afford a win, but I would prefer at least to enjoy the game if you have no objections. And m1 on gens or chase and die simulator after 2 minutes, are the worst experience to enjoy it
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Tunneling for whatever reason, "50 win challenge" or not, is not a good thing is the point I was making.
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Fun fact: anyone who says "change my mind" will never change their mind.
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Let's start with the fact that the game doesn't reward you for running the killer. You can run the killer for all the gens but because you didn't contribute to your objectives or be altruistic you won't get enough points or pip
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Does DBD have a competitive community and if so is it big enough to influence the overall player base to see the game in a competitive light? People can play any game however they want. Clearly some games have more of a competitive nature to them than others. DBD is not one of those games in my opinion. I don't think most players, survivors particularly, care to ever play this game in any kind of competitive sense. Unless you have some idea to make most survivor mains want to play this game competitively then you should understand why things like tunneling are constantly mentioned in a negative light and always will be.
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"Its the killers job to kill" is probably the most common argument I see when killers try to defend tunneling and honestly I don't think its made a single survivor main change their mind about tunneling being bad for the game. Tunneling has not helped me get better. Why? Because for the most part the same outcome happens now as it did when I was tunneled back before I reached my first 100 hours of playing. The difference has been miniscule and it has not been for lack of trying. The situation itself heavily favors the killer and without intervention from the team the outcome is going to be largely the same regardless how many hours you have in this game. Rarely will I escape a tunnel and most of the times I have were back when I played SWF.
Being constantly tunneled doesn't make survivors better at this game. Its not a learning experience to improve by any means. Tunneling has only ever made me regret playing the game the times it happened.
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You're missing the point as to why survivor mains always complain about tunneling. Its not about winning for them. Its about having at least a chance to get out of a hopeless situation so they can play the game longer than it took them to get in one. The only experience tunneling offers to survivors is how frustrating the game can be. And killer mains wonder why there are so many SWF in this game. Its because they're tired of dealing with toxic killers who gain pleasure from making this game as miserable as possible for survivors.
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What is DBD for you then? M1 simulator? xD
Do you want killers sitting on a corner waiting for you and your team to finish gens? I don´t know, explain me your point please.
The best point of this game are chases, but if you like pressing hard your mouse repairing, do not complain if a killers tunnels you and you don´t know how to deal with it, people who doesn´t invest time on improve at looping tends to die every game if the killer decides to tunnel them because they are the weak spot
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Only trash people use trash tactics like tunneling. If you're a killer who tunnels someone out to start the game, you've already lost. If you've played enough, you know what I mean. If not, TFB.
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Tunneling is bad but having the mindset that tunnelling is op is worse. Its hard to survive it but not impossible. Killers dcing bc you won't give in to it is the actual worst thing in this game imo.
Op, I can convince you that tunnelling is bad by just using your own logic. There are three other players bored as heck bc there's a god survivor being tunnelled. Or on the flip side there's 3 other survivors bored as heck now in a 3v1.
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That's a good way to reframe it, though upcoming changes include faster pallet breaking, faster blood-lust, shorter cooldown on basic hits, and shorter distance made by a survivor after that first basic hit. So chases and looping may just get a bit trickier.
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Tunneling is NECESSARY against toxic swf groups
Tunneling is NECESSARY if you lose 3 gems in a single chase
Tunneling is NOT NECESSARY if 5-4 gems are still up
That's all 😏
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... "every time I play this game to try to deal with toxic killers who think its Ok to rush down someone right off the hook. If theres anything unsportsmanlike in this game, its tunneling."
Its this and those super well organized teams, that prevent EVERY. SINGLE. PICKUP 'n' HOOK. with either a flashlight save, bodyblocking and/or saboing. I know that being part of this makes you fly and think that you are the king of the world and you can tackle anything and nothing can stop you fufufu! .. but if you ever are at the receiving end of it while you were just trying to have a fun and casual game, you might question yourself whats the point of still playing and you might end the game with 2 hooks on two different survivors and everyone falling over themselves in giving you one final flashlight or twerk to the face.
Right now the only moment when I can somewhat relax my gameplay is when I turned the game into a 3v1 at 4 gens, because now things slow down enough that I have time to deal with all the DHs thrown at me and still enjoying the game. An early 3v1 seems nearly necessery, otherwise its 4E *gg ez* and all the BMs you can think of.
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Killers get “pleasure making the game as miserable for survivors as possible” because they’ve been abused and humiliated by the over-abundant SWF groups UNFAIRLY using constant communication to remain in control of the match.
REVERSE UNO CARD!
Seriously silly to blame the existence of SWF because of the playstyle of Killers. I’d easily argue that survivors are the strongest share-holders of the toxicity because their of MORE OF YOU, and YOU OPERATE UNDER GROUP-MENTALITY, so when one of you is tunneled or camped you feel ‘justified’ to group pile on the Killer and all future Killers. Thus antagonizing and mocking any and every Killer you ‘beat’ and viciously attacking anyone who didn’t play exactly how you wanted. Why do you think the ‘survivor rulebook meme’ is a thing haha.
You can say what you want about Killers being toxic and trying to justify survivor actions as nothing more then a ‘counter’ to the Killer negativity but nobody but ignorant survivor mains are gunna believe that xD
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You can earn GEMS in this game? What the... I've missed them all then 😜 Joking aside yes, agreed with this ^
Also, let's stop pretending like every SWF is amazing at the game, they're not. Only well-experienced/skilled ones are.
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I want to survive and not to be the only one dying yup I can usually loop killer long enough that others can get away. Sometimes I get away too but I don't want my survivors games be more stressful than killer games as that already is enough and survivor is relaxing...
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and only survivor mains will tell to people this... even otzdarva admit that tunneling is one of the best strategies in the game if did it right (i usually don't take as an absolute truth what he says, but in this case i agree with him)... you are simply denying it cause you don't enjoy it (which mind you, it's understandable, but getting genrushed and disrespected in the endchat cause you played fair isn't fun either...)
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While I kind of agree with you, you might not be saying it the right way. Though there are situations where you literally cannot do anything but instantly go down. OTR will remedy that and will make your argument more solid.
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