Let's have an actual discussion about Nurse

Her range add ons, sure. When you use them, things just turn easy mode, regardless of survivor.

Everything else about her is fine. I get she 'breaks the game' logic but that was her point when she released. She is another form of killer you need to play against, she has plenty counterplay and has some skill involved with her.

I actually think base Nurse is fine, and even fun, to go against. I like that she plays completely differently from every other killer, and that it's reliant entirely on mindgames and breaking LoS in unconventional ways. Her addons, namely her range addons, however, are ludicrously OP. Many people seem unaware just how much they increase her blink speed. She becomes nigh unbeatable when a competent Nurse uses them. Also, her blink attacks should be considered special, as many exposure perks are stupidly powerful on her. Also also, she shouldn't be able to hold her first blink indefinitely, as she can use this to proxy camp; especially when using the aforementioned broken range addons.

Then you're either going against really awful Nurses, or have miraculously found the few Nurses who aren't running one or both range addons. Omega Blink Nurse has no counterplay unless the Nurse is inept.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKVE2o9fGZs

In my experience, any information in regards to "countering" Nurse rely on the player playing poorly, which is an inherently flawed design.

Nurse because either a killer where it is miserable to face if they are competent, or fun to face if they are bad, and neither of these should really exist. A bad player shouldn't get stomped to the point of no hits in a game, hell that's the entire reason bloodlust exists. Similarly, no killer should have such strength that a full SWF with all 4 members on comms and calling things out effectively is a fair match (though the strength of this entirely is another issue to consider separately from Nurse).

Everything around this killer swings wildly in the directions they go and it just feels to me like the best option would be removing or reworking her entirely.

There's also a consideration on how perks in general could be improved if she didn't have to be considered. On most killers Floods of Rage or I'm All Ears lasting 20 or more seconds wouldn't be a disgusting effect, because they still have to obey the laws of the game. It causes these perks to be middling to the point of usability ONLY on nurse or a small handful of killers. Not having to limit the power of perks because of a single killer would create a greater impact overall.

Nurse needs little tweaks. She is essentially a prediction killer and pretty much a high risk, high reward one. So, I think she should have these changes:

She should not see survivor's scratchmarks and auras while holding a blink, the same way Spirit can't see blood and aura from survivors while phasing.

She doesn't need recharge addons. They make wrong predictions much less punishable.

I'm fine with range addons though.

The only issue with her is the speed boost given by the range add-ons.

Making her attacks special would not make sense because she cannot hit survivors without her power (except the very bad ones). If the issue some have is with Starstruck, just don't get caught or immediately assume she has it. It's not exactly difficult to handle is it? (If it is, ask for help generally countering Starstruck on another thread)

There are many ways to counter a Nurse.

If you can aim you can prevent her from blinking with a flashlight. It's something I almost never see. You may save someone else. You may postpone a hit on you. Every second you earn is time for generators or someone else to escape from a chase.

You are on a floor or above basement? Doubling back will most likely work because she cannot reduce her blink range and will get punished. It's about timing. Think before you act.

She is blinking from a relatively long distance? Right before she has to release the blink, start running to her then immediately resume running away. If you get the timing right, she'll under-blink.

How do you know the timing? By doing the single most important thing recommended to verse a Nurse : play her enough to have a feel for her. If you don't do that, there is little chance of improvement.

She is almost pure mind games so it may be difficult for some players. But ,however good you are at these, practicing will progressively increase your survivability. Rage-quitting however will only hurt you and your team; and there is never any excuse for not giving your best. (That last part is true for anything in life.)

Finally, good Nurses are probably in the higher MMRs. If you consistently go against good Nurses it's probably because you win a lot against weaker killers. Don't worry: the developers are trying to improve them so you will not win as easily and will face some variety.

For me it’s simple.

It comes down to the core design of her power when combined with add ons and perks that exist within the game.

Many Nurse games where I have sincerely felt she didn’t even feel like she belong in the game, were Nurses with multiple slow down effects that stacked while having double range add ons while Camping and Tunneling.

I think if perks and add ons didn’t make her near unbearable, more people would enjoy going against her. She becomes too oppressive when she can access other tools (perks-add ons) to allow her to do so.

Am I saying she shouldn’t be able to use certain perks? Not at all. But at this point in the game I do think that stacking perk effects should be looked at and also her add ons. Because there are too many perks that do the same thing and you can stack on a killer who really doesn’t need it.

As it stands, the nurse is absolutely not OP. To say otherwise would just be pure bad faith.

Correcting his range addons, so that they no longer accelerate tp performed below 20 meters, yes, I completely understand.

But apart from that, neither the range addons nor the reload addons are a problem in themselves.

The range addons: the difference they offer to the nurse is between 21 and 30m. Below that, other than the acceleration I mentioned above, there are none.

So, the range addons make a difference from 21 meters.

The question is, is it impossible for a survivor to be alert to see a nurse coming at more than 21 meters? Of course not.

In fact, the range addons will allow the nurse to have better map control, but it doesn't change the fact that if the nurse can't see where the survivor is, or if the survivor is doing feints that work, it will be just as hard for the nurse to get to him.

Especially since a nurse who uses one or two range addons, is a nurse who misses one or two reload addons, and therefore has to wait a little longer before doing a tp again, time that can be used by the survivor to make his escape profitable.

As for the reload addons, they are fine as they are: they allow the nurse to tp faster, yes, but however, if a nurse plays both reload addons, it means that her tp is limited to 20 meters.

In other words, it's very easy to lose her by moving as straight as possible, so that once the survivor is at a good distance, he can find a place to hide so that, by the time the nurse gets there, he can discreetly move to another place, by walking, and become untraceable.

Some people say that the nursing hands are defending their "OP toy".

50% true.

As far as I am concerned, I am defending my "toy", but it is not OP.

As many people have already said, the fact is that many survivors don't really know how to play against the nurses.

Which is technically understandable, in the sense that since she's the only one with that particular move patern, it means that the % of games a survivor can train against said patern is quite low, compared to the total games he does.

And so, many survivors can't stand the fact that while they are able to hold other killers well/good/very good, the nurse can give them a hard time.

Whereas on the contrary, it's so cool that a killer goes off the beaten path and offers something else.

But that's the problem: a lot of players just don't want to make the effort to play a little bit more seriously, and think a little bit more when they're facing her; they want her to be as easy to taunt as a Caleb on Lery.

There is also something that players don't think about.

The nurse is a killer who is potentially capable of putting a lot more pressure on the survivors than any other killer.

So she can generate a much more incisive snowball.

This means that the survivors in turn must be able to be faster, more precise, more thoughtful, more coordinated and better at their actions.

The Survivor team will have to match the nurse if they want to be even.

Why say that? Simply because sometimes I see some people say that the nurse is a problem when they run into SoloQs, etc.

She is not the problem. The problem, if you can call it that; I would say the cause; is that she runs into SoloQs.

Sometimes I run into lobbies where 2 of the 4 players know how to loop me, and the other 2 don't. Of course, if I stay on the first two, my game will be much more complicated than if I concentrate on the last two.

The nurse is the killer who will be the most demanding in terms of cohesion, work and team spirit towards the survivors.

So yes, even if you know how to deal with a nurse, sometimes you'll run into a team that doesn't.

Yes, sometimes you will carry the game, but not them, and the nurse will win.

And finally, yes, sometimes you will come across survivors who will also know how against her... but you will lose... not because she is OP, but just because you will have come across better than you.

And I feel like a lot of survivors have a hard time accepting that last point...

(precisely, I play Survivor too, and I love playing against the nurse; I am not at all an expert, as a survivor, but I like to learn from my mistakes; is it that difficult?)

I am pretty new to Nurse, maybe 20 hrs, and i do get 4k most times while facing 3k + hrs survs. I think thats not how its supposed to be.

Now if you have 500hrs on Nurse you get huge winstreaks.

• -i am using range recharge mostly

People asking for rework, I feel like they completely forgot about 1 thing - Swf sweat squad.

If the nurse and blight is gone to A tier or lower - swf will be uncounterble.

And good luck playing Artist, Nemesis, PH, Sadako or any other killer against swf sweat squad bullies.

Your matches is 6 min long and these survivors are gone through the gates with you having 0 hooks.

By this time swf are superiour of this game, with no counter.

Nurfing S-tier killers means... Reworking the game entirely: maps, pallets, perks, etc, just for other killers to have at least a 30% chance to win without blight and nurse.

These "NURF THE NURSE" ppl needs to think of some stuff that they don't see or forget.

(yeah, I agree her range addons when used both is kinda op). xD

Nurse is always going to be a weird subject.

To me, It reminds me of deathgarden in that bothsides had some painfully unfun options that felt strangely balanced in a "mutually assured destruction" kind of way.

It is needed for an achievement.