Let's have an actual discussion about Nurse

The range is necessary because of the bloody big maps. The speed boost effect is the only issue.

Both recharge addons put her almost to the level she had before her nerf, yes.

Swf still struggle agains't good killers. Only very good swf:s are problematic and make even good killer struggle. I don't think nurse has negative kill rate anymore that was old stat now new nurse players have probably learned her it takes few games but after that your able to 4K most matches.

Because what you say is nonsense and largely depends on personal opinion, that's all it is, you do not provide facts, you only provide your 'opinion' so kindly keep your ego in check. If you want to get lots of upvotes go make a thread crying about Nurse I'm sure you will find many like-minded people who want to mindlessly complain over and over without adding anything of importance.

This whole thing was about actually adding valuable information and intuitive information that actually makes sense, but you are demeaning and spouting rhetoric that the people you are combating have no real value to the conversation. When in reality you are the problem not them and honestly you not seeing this is just silly if you actually added valuable additions maybe you as well would get the personal gratification that you desire lol.

What facts or useful information have they shown? I'm really curious.

Nurse kill rate 49 percent? Irrelevant. It has been explained why many times.

Extremely condescendingly saying no one wants to learn how to play against Nurse, and then giving information on how to face her which everyone in this discussion already knows?

Some random casual tournament with random players where nurse has 2.1 kill rate or whatever it was? I checked out some of the players from that tournament setup. Lol..

You are in many of these threads defending nurse. Maybe you should consider your bias.

I haven't seen a single piece of useful or good information relating to this topic by the players defending nurse, except for teaching noobies how to go against Nurse. But..they are not the ones claiming Nurse is OP in the first place.

A single game is absolutely not representative of a whole, especially since we have no idea of all the details of this part, there is unfortunately nothing exploitable 😕

That's why I so often suggest to those who complain that "the nurse is OP" to provide plenty of videos of them playing against her (or videos of players playing the nurse, it works both ways).

I do find Nurse to be problematic. That's mostly due to the fact that the way to counter them, is to just outsmart them.

Lemme be clear here. The human mind is a vast and confusing system of electrical systems and other things I missed in science class that makes it so that no two people are the same person. Hell, not even twins can be the same, because they're the same genetically but not mentally. (They generally get along well, though.)

So anyway, back to the topic, how do you balance a killer's power around a subjective way of countering them?

Simply: You can't.

The Nurse is still very powerful regardless of the setback of her rework. The problem isn't that the rework did too much, it's that it did essentially nothing. Her core gameplay is still there. All that changed was the fact that she takes 2 seconds longer to blink 2 times again. The funny thing about that, though, is that is the general time a Nurse takes to look at a survivor and then form a plan on how to catch up to them with their blinks.

The only "real" counter anyone can think up is "just mind game her", which is extremely punishing for new players, and very stressful for veteran players. In fact, that exact thing was what led to Spirit being nerfed so many times after her release.

I say it's stressful because the Nurse is passively forcing a veteran to worry more about what the killer can do and then reacting to it when they start making a move. The Nurse, remember, can ignore physical defenses, so the survivor has to worry about disallowing the Nurse's ability from reaching them, not the killer themselves. It makes people angrier because they had no real way of stopping you. There are no "disabling traps", "destroying portals", or "avoid being injured for too long". It is simply "make a decision and hope to god you didn't make a move that can be punished easily."

It's like saying "just answer smarter" in a test you got an "F" on. Sure, they're not wrong, but the methods behind such an action are incomprehensible. You cannot fully understand how you can "outsmart someone" if there are too many options for them to choose from. It becomes a guessing game, and the thing about those kinds of games is that there's always a loser, and they WILL be sour from their own bad choice.

A killer that can only be anticipated because of how many options they currently have is what makes a killer so powerful in the first place. A Nurse essentially just, removes the Survivor's ability to use a pallet or a loop, unless the Nurse herself makes an error that allows it to happen. All the control in the chase is under her control because of her mind-bogglingly huge amount of ways they can get to you, and most of the time, that causes a Survivor to panic, get mad, or start doing the same things over and over again hoping it works.

Both sides are being forced to Mindgame as a primary tactic, not a passive one.

Mindgaming should be reserved when the killer and survivor have a solid understanding of their own capabilities and the enemies' abilities before making a play to counter what the other person will most likely do. There is no mind gaming involved with a Nurse, though, because it's consistently influenced by chance, and not probability.

You could say they're the same thing, but my explanation about it is that: probability is a chance of a person doing this thing because this mechanic/situation will likely force them to do this to achieve their goal. They will probably do this action, basically. Probability is essentially an educated guess. You may not be sure, but the things the killer did would suggest that they would make this move because it would be beneficial to them.

But chance on its own is 100% randomized. There are no situations to take into account, no areas, no walls, no defenses. There is nothing that a Nurse is explicitly countered by in terms of a map's layout without an external force causing misfortune for one side or the other. Chance is basically all of those casino slot machines. You might win or you might not. Whatever happens next is something that has no possible way for you to anticipate it. If you can anticipate it, then there is no chance, it's just something else.

Course, you can guess the probability of which one is actually mind gaming.

I've got nothing to really suggest, but I would really suggest we change the power entirely, and properly. Nurse's power is just an in-game noclip if it was handled by a corporation that unironically becomes horny for their own characters, or exploits other people's horniness to get an extra buck.

The nurse needs a dang rework for the ability to shave off 5 seconds of killer run-time in a single blink. That's extremely significant, despite how small that sounds.

Course, I'd be open to hearing about other suggestions, too. I want to see the Nurse be balanced, but anything that makes her comprehensibly balanced while still keeping her core gameplay is also something I want. I just think it's inherently hard to balance, and BHVR is likely not experienced enough to properly handle it without making several people mad.

You are wasting your breath. Trolls and irrational individuals are unable to reason. This simple fact goes way over their head.