Really bad killers are getting 4ks and its okay.

DH was the most used survivor perk by a country mile, and even if they weren’t running it killers still had to play like they did have it

assuming that everyone used it is not that far from the truth

It's a video game that you load up. It's not real life. They aren't big bads. They are people playing a role to win. That's it. No more. No less. And both sides should be treated equally as far as adjustments are made to make the game playable. But it hasn't been

No, we can do, we just can stop playing awful balanced game. Only that makes weight now

It's really not. What's happening now is a lot of decent, but not great players are getting stomped into the ground, making them lose MMR that will eventually lead to the lower ranks and by extensions newer people, having lobbies that overfill with significantly more experienced survivors, so less seasoned Killers are now going to get bullied more. And BHVR has shown time and time again that they have no interest in balancing the game at its core, rather than just applying bandaid solutions that help in some areas and highly damage others.

This.

Survivors had too many second chances that gave them enough for their mistakes. Now these unfair to killer perkes are gone and they can clearly see, that they can't loop and mindgame as good as they think they were.

They got lazy and lost their skill due to these perks. Don't ram on a killers 10% buffs (which is miliseconds) and 2.5 gen kicking.

Survivors should not be carried by such unfair perks like second chances. Now they have a good chance to actually get stronger and improve with mindgames and loops. Let's see how they cares.=)

The problem for me as a player (killer and survivor) is not if i 4k or escape, but how the game goes.

For example, if i play killer, i get some interesting chases (with mindgames at a tiles) and i get some hooks, it can be a very enjoyable experience for me, even with 0 kills.

Or as a survivor, if i get into a interesting chases with the killer, the game is fun even if i die.

What bothers me however is the feeling of all odds are stacked against you, that the end result is pretty much predetermined at the start of a match. For example i play survivor, i see a mc millan/autohaven offering and then the match starts and i see its a blight/nurse.... waste of time to play the game ...

Or as killer, i play billy and i get coldwind farm, or rpd ... its pure misery. Like why should i have to put up with that.

As survivor lately, the amount of try hard nurses i face makes me question if i play some kind of tournament game. They throw map offerings, use strongest addons, tunnel, camp hook stages etc.

In my opinion the problem is not about escaping or killing, balance wise there are outliers that are so far off the charts (blight and nurse need a tone down) and some maps need to be rebalanced.

One side being the "power role" belongs in singleplayer games, not multiplayer. The one thing that will distance me from this game more than anything is the feeling that, when playing solo survivor, the average killer wants to dominate and not participate in a match that is fun for both sides. SWF bully squads might be the same, but they're rare. From being on this forum, it does seem like the average killer main thinks survivors should be afraid and punished if they're not. Poor balance is not how multiplayer games function.

Bad survivors in solo Q are a real issue and I won't deny that. Also, survivors that want to troll the killer and they can't anymore but they still try to be bullies... they just ruin the game for everyone. I'm not a god looper but I'm pretty good at it and still, I found myself into situations where bruteforce made everything I could do useless... like hitboxes, for example, and the fact that basekit buffs for the killer do not go well with how poorly some maps are designed. If they hit you, there are lots of places where you can't make it to a decent loop before being hit again because of the buffs they received to cooldown hits and the nerfs survivors got with the after-hit distance being reduced. I've mentioned this in another post but I've seen lots of people being down from 10 to 15 seconds after they were initially hit. This didn't happen before I would say...

Ok I can't say I have had any problems with the buffs that killers got to their chase. In my experience, the speed boost and hit cooldown are still more than long enough to always get to somewhere where I can fight back. I guess the only problems really are certain maps that can spawn big deadzones in the middle, but even then I haven't really had too many issues after getting hit once.

Even when I went against a STBFL Clown I didn't really have any problem, though to be fair, I think that was on Eyrie of Crow. Which has way too many safe pallets.

I am going to be honest, I just don't see how a 10% reduction in hit cooldown and speed burst would suddenly make so many more survivors get downed right after they get hit once. I just don't see how. Most maps have fairly solid pallet and window density. The only two maps I can see being problematic are Wretched Shop, and in very rare cases, Torment Creek, though the latter map in general has always been survivor sided.

Of course, I still think that more maps should be looked at. In my opinion, there are quite a few maps that should have less safe pallets, and more mindgameable pallets, but with that also just more pallets in general. That means survivors are less likely to find themselves helpless in a deadzone, but more pallets allow for counterplay on both sides, which means killers also find themselves less often in situations without counterplay.

Of course maps should still have some safer pallet loops, I don't even mind a few god pallets. But some maps have too many safe pallets, but in return, not enough pallets in general. Swamp maps are a good example. They are kind of balanced for the wrong reasons in my opinion.

The faster pallet break animation I can sometimes see coming in clutch for killer, getting a down where they wouldn't have before the patch, especially now that DH was nerfed as well. But even then I haven't really had a problem in chases yet, even after these buffs. Not to mention these buffs help weaker M1 killers the most.

In my opinion, survivors should have just gotten something in return. Nerfs to camping and tunneling and/or information buffs to solo survivors. That's the actual problem with this patch, and something I hope will follow soon after. I personally hope they won't revert the killer buffs, especially the chase buffs, as those encourage killers to go for a chases and play fairer. Except the bloodlust buff, that should be reverted.

It's easy to say it's just because of the survivor perk changes but it's actually a combination of all of the base killer buffs; the fact killers still have very good slow down perks; how camping has been buffed; bloodlust has been buffed; how nurse is still the same; Blight addons are the same; how no improvements were made to solo queue and because there are new tiles to get used to on various maps.

Also add to the fact that DH could be used to counteract the rubber banding issue... I had multiple scenarios where I died at very safe loops yesterday because of rubber banding.

I mean, it is but whatever

I played against a couple of survivors yesterday who definitely knew how to use it. I hit them and didn't even realize they used DH, but they didn't go down. I had to check at the end of the match to confirm that they did indeed have DH. For that alone, I started giving the others (and probably will for some time) the hatch or letting them go. I know I don't have the skills to use it property (even before the update) and for that, I will continue to reward skilled players so they don't sit at low MMR with the likes of me. 😊

I feel this, but I think we are under the impression that every player--killer and survivor is supposed to be an adult. When in fact, you have little kids playing this game. I saw a post a while back where this guy let his son play killer. His son didn't even have two digits on his age. It has been said before that console survivors are the worse. I happen to believe they are more likely to be the not yet 18 variety. Also, the more casual the player the more clueless they are. Not everyone watches twitch and comps. The extent of their game knowledge is solely their own. Not to mention you have people that take massive breaks and come back with the idea that it is still 2017 and pallets are plentiful.

Next you have your trolls. Sometimes killer mains that just want to sabotage the other side out of spite, or sometimes just people bored with the game and want to wreak havoc anyway they can. And lastly you have your sore losers. Those that will DC for no reason or maybe had a spate of bad games and yours was a last straw.

Whatever this game lacks, it has not failed in farming salt from most of its players.

I'd also say I think MMR was a bit tuned in this update (that or I've just been extremely lucky with my matches). I play both roles, but tended to play more Survivor because I found it less stressful and I have a lot of anxiety when playing games (which toxic Survivors loved to trigger). I played the PTB and wrote my thoughts and feedback in the matter (mostly in terms that I felt Spine Chill and Self-Care didn't need to be nerfed and how Endurance shouldn't stack the way it did), but found everything else rather malleable.

Needless to say I continue to be tunnelled off of matches before two generators are even completed. This has been my experience in 6 out of 10 games -- whether it is inexperience or just Killers loving to grief me, I don't know. I'm just mentioning it. My matches as Killer in the other hand have been less stressing. I feel I can do so much more without camping or tunnelling and I've been getting 2k to 4k without needing to sweat (as Sadako, I'd add). At the very least, I do hope in the near future something is done to solve the issues with camping and tunnelling. People may argue they are strategies, but with the new changes they are no longer needed... low and mid-tier Killers have more control of the match and I dread going against high tier Killers.

In a summary, I do believe most of these changes were done in the right way that now make the game feel somewhat more in-tune with giving the Killer more control over the match without being too overbearing, but I still think more changes need to do on both sides to solve some underlying issues.

Fine, I guess I didn't specify, but I always say soloQ<killer<SWF

I know what you mean. I don't play killer much anymore because it was pretty easy to secure 2 kills a game and the update has just made it 4k almost every game. I've played killer for 5 hours today (and by no means am I the best killer) and I've had 1 survivor legitimately escape because I always give the last survivor the chance to find the hatch. Of my other games I gave 2 people the win because their teammates were afk and they didn't even stand a chance with out them and I lost one game by my own mistakes because I was playing on Grave of Glenvale and didn't open any of the doors that you can break and I left most pallets unbroken. Game is so easy on killer now yet killer mains are still complaining.

Well, what his patch can teach you is, if you're not good and can't win a game through skill, if you're loud and persistent enough and complain enough, you will be buffed to the point of forcing a win against better players than you are.

This, apparently, seems to be the Behaviour way.

I'm in the South American servers, from time to time we get yellow/red ping in lobbies for some reason. Wonder if it's a server connectivity issue or simply a bug. But yes, it's bad.

Really bad killers are getting 4ks because of 10s gen time that is all done simulataneously as killer can only stop 1 at a time.....

You having a laugh mate? I've played 30 games at sweaty MMR and the game is the same old fuckfest survivor bully simulator it's always been, this time with faster gens due to full loadouts for it.

But yeah a 10 percent boost to animations and 10 s gen time (gen rush takes 6 mins instead of 5) is making killers win!

Rephrase your topic to: my low MMR teammates sucked without their dead hard and we died due to no coordination.

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