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New Self Care and Botany question.
So old SC and Botany stacked and made the self heal 83% of base heal right?
So do the new versions make Self Healing 85%?
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Also, if old SC and BK was 83%. What was the actual self heal time for that? As well as the new value?
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Correct, a 2% increase over the prior iteration.
In comparison, it's effectively a negligible increase for solo healing:
Old Botany/SC (83%) - Base time of 19.277s to heal.
New Botany/SC (85%) - Base time of 18.824s to heal.
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Do you know the actual time of the old and new ones paired?
Healing is 16 seconds. Old Self Care was 32 seconds.
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No, negative effects are multipliers, not adding up. So you could say the old combo also halfed the Botany speedboost, getting you to
(1 + 0,33) * 0,5 = 0,66
The new combo will be basically what old Selfcare was standalone with 52,5% speed, so it will take a tiny bit longer than 32 seconds:
(1 + 0,5) * 0,35 = 0,525
Post edited by Deadeye on0 -
** [EDIT: This information posted by myself is incorrect. Confirmed that @Deadeye and @SkeletalElite are correct.] **
What I posted in my response earlier is with the old and new botany/self-care paired.
Old Self Care: 50% healing speed while healing oneself.
Old Botany: +33% heal speed
Old botany/SC @ 83% allowed a self-heal in 19.277s (16 / 0.83).
New Self Care: 35% healing speed while healing oneself
New Botany: +50% healing speed, 20% medkit efficiency penalty (20% more charges used)
New and current botany/SC @ 85% allows a self-heal in 18.824s (16 / 0.85).
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Old self care
16 / (.5) = 32 seconds
Old SC Botany
16 / (1.33 x .5) = 24.5 seconds
New SC
16 / (.35) = 45.8 seconds
New SC Botany
16 / (.35 x 1.5) = 30.5 seconds.
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Not a numbers person. How are you both getting different numbers? The first one seems right? How could new SC and BK actually be slower than the old one when it adds up 2% higher?
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They don't add together.
Only positive benefits add together before multiplying onto the base rate.
Negative benefits always multiply onto the rate seperatly.
Otherwise you could have a healing speed so slow you undo healing. ie . self care through coulrophobia would be a -15% heal speed but that's not how it works
its 16 / (.35 x .5) = 91.4 seconds to heal
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A bit odd guessed ^_^' , I also just checked ingame with a video. Botany + SC takes 30,5 seconds
(16 / 0,525)
Just for info because it happened occassionally in that game: Botany + SC inside a CoH takes 16 seconds. This does not work with the SC calculation so I guess Selfcare is replaced and actually a different action than healing with SC as the boon says 50% (old selfcare speed) and adding 50% by boon + 50% by Botany gives you the default speed, which is also actually strange because in that case the negative effect of CoH does not work as a multiplier like Selfcare does
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Using an overly complex formula, can confirm that @Deadeye and @SkeletalElite are correct.
Combining Self-Care and Botany Knowledge in patch 6.1.0 will take 30.48 seconds to heal yourself.
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Ok, after vaidating it for myself in a KYF game, I can confirm I was wrong, @Deadeye and @SkeletalElite are correct. I just clocked myself at 30.40s on stopwatch with a Botany'd Self Care.
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Damn...they really destroyed self care.
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I was very excited to use this combo and even used it with desperate measures... I thought I'd get to heal myself basically as fast as a normal heal but that is definitely NOT the case :(
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This ######### is confusing to me to say the least.
I was looking on the wiki and it says COH Boon self heal time is 21.333 seconds. Why? Shouldn't it be 32 seconds like old self care?
ALso, can one of you figure the following just for the heck of it. What would OLD Self Care and NEW Botany SELF healing speed be?
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Circle of healing increases healing speed by 50%, and then penalizes it at 50% too.
(1 + 0.5)(0.5) = 0.75
16 / 0.75 = 21.33
New botany with old selfcare would be exactly the same as what coh is now. 50% bonus to make your healing speed 1.5, then that’s penalized at 50%.
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Interesting, so the SC nerf was basically because of the BK buff. Or else there would be zero point in running COH.
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