Thana won't be staying like this long, sadly

Well, from my experience I can say that the survs I have faced as legion never gave up, and I was running Thanatophobia, dying light, call of brine and gift of pain. Some even were swf groups. Now, as I play on PS4, I could not see if they were complaining. You just were unlucky to find the typical immature bully squad that starts crying if they do not feel empowered. Don't worry about it, they will most likely be ignored.

Small correction, they did not happen simultaneous. The Mori change happened in patch 4.4.1, which was released December 8 2020. While the key/hatch change was in patch 5.3.0, which was released on October 19 2021.

It took them almost a year for them to get to balancing the key/hatch with the mori change.

This post has to be bait. If this isn't bait, I urge you to seek help.

The entire reason BHVR added 50 seconds to the main objective was so that killers could use fewer slowdown perks and mix things up.

The "bully SWF people" aren't going to ruin your slowdown perks, killers will ruin the perks by overusing them.

Legion has 2 built-in slowdown components to his power, mending and healing. Healing a survivor without a medkit takes 16 seconds without a medkit. However, before survivors heal, if you have tagged them during Feral Frenzy an additional 8 second mend action must be completed first. So without any perks or add-on, you can add 24 seconds of healing action to any survivor you tag. You can also tag multiple survivors with Feral Frenzy potentially stacking up to 96 seconds of recovery actions for the survivors if you tag all 4 survivors (and let them "reset"). That's 1 minutes, 36 seconds!

Now technically survivors in the past have had the option of simply skipping the healing actions and rushing generators. However, with the additional 50 seconds it is far too risky to attempt repairs while injured as you now have enough time to ideally win 1 or 2 chases without effort and then hook survivors to slow down the game.

All of this is to say, if you're telling me that the objective being extended 50 seconds, in addition to having a power to add potentially an extra minute and a half to the game at will doesn't give you enough time to catch survivors, and that you require the objectives to take an additional minute and half (with max thana value) to complete simply is the amount of time you need to get all of your kills I urge you to seek help.

Watch Otz, watch Farmer John, watch somebody and learn more about Legion and general looping/chase mind games. You shouldn't need 180 extra seconds every match to catch everyone.

The "effects of the patch as a whole" is there regardless of whether or not you take Thana. The main point of this thread was that Thana shouldn't have gotten buffed. My point was that the buff equates to a very small portion of your total gen repair time, even at max stacks, and that for that reason I don't care if it does get reverted because it makes no difference to me, and I don't understand why people are inflating the actual effects of it.

I'm a killer main (which I'm sure most already guessed), but I also run solo survivor at least once a play session, and while the new gen times are definitely felt, I'm not railing on Thana or any other perk because of it. If you really hate Thana that much, there are plenty of counters for it.

I mean, killers already convinced the devs that 4-men swf, which are about 5-6% of the survivor playerbase, are the all-powerful enemies and that nerfing them is worth making more than 50% of the survivor playerbase suffer.

I don't think the devs are going to take that 5% of survivor's opinion into account, considering they already don't listen to the 50+% soloQ players.

If thana is nerfed, it's gonna be because it's unfun for most of the survivors, not just for 5% of them.

So Thana seems quite safe to me.

1) Maps were took dark

2) There are still plenty of god loops, especially in the newer maps where there's just a hallway and a pallet that you must break.

3) Only recently, and against SWF kill squads that has always been true, the kill speed to chase ratio coupled with dead hard meant the survivor could literally hold "w" and you would lose 3 gens even if they didn't use a single loop or pallet.

4) I don't remember this ever being a thing, i think it was more the "hook distance offering" was changed to not stack, which again with SWF kill squads made it literally impossible to hook.

5) Dead hard did not give you 2 extra seconds, it was a 3rd health state when survivors used it for distance.

6) OG DS was super OP, remember when killers had to juggle? I was happy with the version we had previously where it was a 5 second stun but deactivated when doing stuff or in endgame, but to be fair it was only ever made 5 seconds back when enduring worked on it.

7) I don't think flashlights have really been reworked, unless you mean the super old ones like when mcote played as hag against that korean team years ago and they bullied him hard with flashlights. You can't tell me that was fair...

8) Hatch has always been fine, keys were the problem because survivors could basically get free escape and it would shorten the end of the game. I could say the same thing about moris, which were reworked first. But i'll tell you what, you can have keys and hatch back if we get OG moris back.

All of those killer complaints were valid! Killers have gotten so many buffs because killer sucks! And you say you agree with our positions, but you're bashing the devs based on this false narrative that killers were "exclusively 'catered' to." I mean which is it?

And let's stop with these "forever builds." Killer has never had a forever build. Survivors have the end say, because they choose if they want to be efficient or not, just like the killer does except gens go quicker than hooks. Facing a build with a bunch of slowdown just means you can't go down to the killer constantly and still rush gens. And that's easy to do, since they don't have anything dedicated to chase perks.

If people are complaining about matches taking too long, then they can't complain about tunneling because it ends the match faster.

Also, you're comparing apples to oranges, because these situations you're talking about, the killer or survivors holding the game hostage because of the overwhelming advantage they have, almost never happen (certainly not for the killer). Even survivors, as petty as they are, don't ever get in a SWF just to make each other unkillable and not do gens/escape. That just doesn't happen. Maybe 1/1000 at best.

But the main point is, we're now excusing survivors who DC because they think that the match is unwinnable, even when that's never the case. Self-fulfilling prophecy. And the real kicker is that it's somehow the killer's fault, because he's being "toxic" because he ran slowdown perks.

Slowdown(s) ? Plural? Thanatophobia was their only one. TT just blocks while the survivor is being carried, that's nothing. Surveillance is just for information and the cooldown for Oppression is so ridiculous it hardly sees enough use to come close to being Oppressive not to mention you just have to hit a skill check to prevent it on the other generators.

That's a tracking build with barely any slowdown.

Want to have some big laughs with Legion?

Run Thana, Coulrophobia, Unnerving Presence, and Sloppy. I played on Mother's Dwelling and 10 minutes went by before they finally finished a gen. And yes, this was minutes after I just started walking around casually.

I understand feeling overwhelmed and all, but with the amount of repair speed perks, toolboxes, etc., Thana can get shut down even if a team is injured if they work together and are smart. Split up when that bass starts up from a distance if working on a gen together. But there's no reason to not do gens if the killer just basically stops applying pressure.

And it's not just Legion survivors give up against. Only killer I regularly play that survivors don't give up against is Trapper, the most basic killer in terms of mobility and power.