Why is Mikey's T3 instant kill still in the game?

Yeah, if they added the first hook condition, we'd be going down the "mori nerfs" route 100%. The people who complain about these add-ons and want them standardized will never find it fair that they can be killed without being hooked.

It's almost as if people should stop feeding Myers (he gets his Judith's/Tombstone slowly for a reason) or loop him correctly. Or use lockers. There are defenses in place to deal with a Judith's and Tombstone.

Because his power actively penalizes him until its payout. He has to give up gaining distance in chases to build up his power, and his only passive offsets happen when he spends his limited resource. That aside, he's the quintessential m1 killer. So his power actually directly hinders his already weak chase, which means it needs to have a massive payoff to make up for the fact he has been actively sabotaging his own efficiency. Thats why he gets instadowns normally, with kills being the only place addons could go up from there. Pair that with the ways you can counter/prevent it as well as the negatives to charge time that are stacked on top.

Like everything with myers and his chapter in general, its designed around punishing people for being careless. The people who have the biggest problems vs him are the ones that refuse to start more cautious and relax as they can work out his build by process of elimination.

The entire game is structured around having to make assumptions and adapting to the outcome. You can't even see the killer in a lobby, and neither side can see the other's perks/addons. Every match you bring a medkit you are assuming you will not be going against a plague, every time you bring a rare item you are assuming they won't be using franklins, every time you bring a flashlight you are assuming they wont have lightborn, etc. You just don't like the consequences of your decision, not the decision itself.

Those aren't on the same level as a game-ending addon that you can't prepare for until it happens within the game. While you may not get value out of a medkit, you still play the game as normal against a Plague. If your opponent is running Franklin's Demise you can pick the item up or continue with the game. Micheal can immediately kill you without a single hook, bypassing essential game elements and making it a guessing game whether it'll happen or not.

As an SWF, it'll be easy to tell by how long it takes and how much he's seen your teammates with callouts. In solo queue, it's nothing more than a guessing game as he can pop that at the start. Addons that alter the game that heavily shouldn't exist in the first place.

I and others have literally said how to prepare for it in this very topic. If people are careful and prevent him from building evil within, there should be 3+ gens popping by the time he even gets there. And even then, he still has to catch you to use it, which can be directly prevented by jumping into a locker. Hell if you want to get really spicy, perks like head on can even let you BM him in the process. Then he gets a down instead of an instakill, his timer expires, and the gens get done before his next T3 is ready. Being careful beats tombstone builds because it capitalizes on the massive amount of build up by denying the adequate reward.

If you're trying to use solo lack of information as an excuse, when thats what the game is intended to be designed around, your perspective is skewed. If anyone gets grabbed out of a locker early in a match, I always assume its myers until seeing evidence to the contrary. That in itself is information you can be using to prevent the first kill scenario without anyone needing to say a word, assuming you know to apply it.

I main him. Have done for the last four years. I consistently do well with him. I know his strengths and weaknesses. He absolutely needs some buffs but he is far from the worst in my opinion.

Nobody likes consistently losing with a weak or boring killer regardless of who they are. Again I point to Freddy for that as being a good example. That's not enough to bring people back consistently unless you like frustrating games.

Mikey has consistently always had a good pick rate and kill rate. Always in the top half of performance. So the Mikey players out there are not struggling that much. I know I certainly don't. I know other Mikey mains out there who don't. I just don't see some of the weaknesses others see in him. Not from personal experience and not from watching other Mikey players.

Again I do think he needs buffs and I hope he gets them soon. I also want a Halloween tome. That would be great.

But for real though they seriously need to tweak it a bit. I would not want it taken out of the game.

And then killers make posts on the forums complaining that survivors didn't let them insta Mori them lmao.

"I was just doing my achievement". And then everyone puts the survivor on blast for not just giving in.

Fwiw I love jumping in the locker against this add-on makes them mald in end game chat 😂

So, because you got tombstoned, you think it should be erased from the game?

We must play different games then, bc Mikey with both iri addons is pretty boring for me, both as and against. There's no interaction until EW3 is reached, and then it's more like hide an seek than actually escaping. I won't deny that being chased by a killer that you know can take you out instantly is tense, but for the first one being moried this way it's just unfair, esp. if Mickey feeds on others and you are the one paying the price for.

My biggest complaint about that type of build: It punishes EVERYONE, BP- and pip-wise. You can mori all four, and still get only about 12k points and depip. The survivors will have even lower BP. And if the survivors get out, they will only have some Lightbringer and Evader, and Mickey will have more or less nothing.

If you don't care for BP or Grade but just the fun, it may be alright for you. But when you playing for BP and/or grades, tombstones are just a giant waste of time.

You can do more than getting into a locker. Any action where the killer can grab you prevents the grab for the instant kill.

Repairing a Generator

Slow Vaulting a window or pallet.

Cleansing or Enchanting a totem.

Opening a chest.

Using Any Means Necessary to reset a dropped pallet.

Double iri mikey is pretty rare for me to see. But I do know that when you face it's most likely that you did have interaction with him, you may not know it though. Could have been stalking you from far but he needs to drain at least 2 survivors fully to get almost teir 3 if doing that.

Being stalked does not count as interaction for me. Double iri mikey won't attack at all until he got P3. SO if anything he starts a chase to get PWYF stacks. Thats why its so boring, or "uneventful".

It’s because basekit Myers is one of the weakest killers in the game, and his add-ons being insane are what keeps him at least somewhat viable higher up.

That one we can agree on! But it's not that much of an issue in normal games, bc it only takes a small part. In both iri addon games, it's way more, maybe 60% of the whole trail time is Myers searching / stalking someone.

So if we actually think the same (more or less), what was you issue with my other comment to begin with?

I wrote:

"Being stalked does not count as interaction for me. Double iri mikey won't attack at all until he got P3. SO if anything he starts a chase to get PWYF stacks. Thats why its so boring, or "uneventful"."

Where you answered:

"I'm starting to think that when people say "interaction", they really just mean looping, and literally nothing else."

That sounded for me like you contestet my comment. But you are not, since you just wrote:

"[..] Stalking is a non-interactive mechanic regardless of add ons."

So what are we arguing about, actually?

Because its easily avoidable and honestly punishes him for using it xD