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Do you consider a survivor death a kill
I've always been under the impression that a dead survivor, regardless of method, is a kill for the killer. But everyday I meet more and more survivors who will hide to die to endgame collapse or crawl to a corner where a teammate died so you can't reach a hook to then be bled out, and then proceed to claim that the killer didn't get their 4k or in some cases, that they won.
What's everyone opinions on this? Is it just salty survivors grasping at straws or do you genuinely not consider a kill a kill unless you're hooked.
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Of courser. What else it is?
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"Kill all survivors, don't let them escape"
I don't think it's matter, how exactly they don't escape.
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I think you are conflating two things.
1) If the survivor didn't escape through the exit gate or the hatch, then they died and that's a kill to the killer
2) Some people just want to deny the opposing team as much as possible, especially when they feel like they have lost for no fault of their own. That's why you have people that will jump into lockers against a tombstone Michael during EGC when the hatch is closed, they want to deny him the satisfaction of the mori.
2 doesn't change the facts though, if the survivor dies by any means, that's a kill for the killer.
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It's survivors being salty. Even the killer scoreboard counts a bleedout/EGC death.
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It's a 4k. I've had dead survivors message me that they won when only one survivor escaped and I'm like no, that person won. You most certainly died and lost. Working as a team is the best way to escape, but running through the exit gates or jumping in hatch is very much an individual thing no matter the situation. I count DCs as Kills as well since the same thing happens if they died on hook or were Mori'd.
I do enjoy the petty salt thrown my way most of the time though. The hoops some people jump through to justify why they did something or what they think is downright hilarious at times.
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A death is a death, so it definitely counts as 4K.
Chances are these survivors would just rather die on their own than having to sit through the death hook animation with the killer still in sight.
If the killer showed bad manners throughout the game, I'd rather die from Nea's claws in a corner in EGC than have the killer hit me on hook nodding yes. Still, I wouldn't say I "won" by any means. I just died the way that bothered me the least.
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In theory I would agree that a kill is a kill, method doesn't matter, but a bleed out gives you less points than hooks, doesn't give you a point for the devout category and as far as I know does not count for challenges either (I wonder how MMR ranks a bleed out).
So I would say it is a kill, but not a sacrifice so depending on what you want to achieve as killer a bleed out can have negative consequences.
I'm pretty sure that a kill through endgame collapse does count though, so I would differentiate between the two.
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If you haven’t escaped through the gate or the hatch you haven’t won or survived it’s a loss and you died.
You still lost even if you bled out.
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You do get less points (both BP and Emblem) than you would for a hook or a kill by your own hand though.
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People die when they are killed.
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I'd say it counts as half a kill. Not a win for survivors, but they do get to waste the killers time. Which is fair, the killer wasted theirs.
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It's because once some people know theyve lost the trial , in their mind they create a new game that is something like "if I survive the EGC without getting downed or hooked I win when it runs out" even though in reality they still lost anyway, and then some of those players want to proceed to trash talk even if you were letting them die to the timer and just making sure they couldn't safely get the gates
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Leaving a survivor on the ground for minutes is wasting their time. Just hook them and let them move on to the next match. If one survivor happens to find the hatch, it's not the end of the world.
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It's salty survivors grasping at straws. I can't imagine a scenario where I would consider slowly bleeding out in a dark corner or having my soul consumed by spider Cthulhu a victory. Some survivor mains just have a pathological need to ######### talk, say gg and move on.
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Depends on if they're doing gens or not. If they are doing gens, stealth is fair, if annoying. If they aren't doing their objective, as I've seen survivors do,then they are wasting the killers time. When there's two survivors left, and they just hide in lockers, not even touching generators are they really playing the game?
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Yeah, I never understood when a survivor does this. All it does it make it take that much longer for them to die and get to the next game. If they think they’re somehow robbing me of a win by doing this they’re mistaken.
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Dead on hook = sacrifice
Mori = kill
Bleed out = death
EGC death = killed by the entity because you couldn't manage it yourself
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On xbox bleedout or mori does not count for kills. Only sacrificed for the entity counts.
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Dead=dead so yes I do count it
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I crawl to a corner because I want the survival points for wiggling out. Plus it's kind of funny.
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If the entity kills the survivor in EGC it's because you failed to do your job.
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As I mentioned, I always hook when I can. But if someone is going to crawl to an area where there are 0 hooks that I can reach then I let them bleed out. I don't see this as wasting their time as they're not giving me any other option. If they didn't want to wait on the ground for however long it is then crawl out of the corner.
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Well, they sure don’t die on their own.
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I disagree, the survivors win as a team, a 2k/2e is a draw. So if 2 survivors get out, its a draw, if 3 do, its a win. If 1 does, its a loss. Doesn't matter who gets out, i often die but get more bloodpoints than everyone else because i participate more in other activities.
Individually you "win" if you pip.
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I consider it a "kill" if I'm playing killer, regardless of how it happens.
I consider it a moral victory, if I'm playing survivor. I know it makes no difference, but I have nothing better to do on the ground... :)
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Best by far are the salty messages you get after the rare, but oh so savory kills when people slightly missplay their BMing at the exit gate, you hit them from the side and you barely manage to pick them up.
They always throw some salt at you of the likes "uwu you couldn't catch me at that and that loop. You are so bad" or "I was only waiting for everyone else" or the best "I just wanted to give you hit so you got more blood points".
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Yes, it counts as a kill. But some survivors do that to be petty because dying grants less points to the killer than being sacrificed.
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Or the achievement, dear god you need some nice survivors who knows about Mickey's achievement to even have a chance of getting it
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Big brain loading screen tips right here, lol
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Hooks are just a means to an end, however it's not nice to let animals you hunt for sport suffer so I try to avoid letting them bleed out.l
That being said, as a survivor I will make myself unhookable if possible only if the killer was an absolute dingus as a "final F U " as that's the only form of control and self expression I have left
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I personally don't crawl away from the downed spot unless there's a valid reason (everyone else has died and the hatch is near, or another player is going to try pallet saving me).
I think some people do it as a way of getting back at the killer. I kinda see why, I mean, if the killer's slugged you for a 4k and left you to nearly bleed out, why wouldn't you try and annoy the killer and deny them a hook? Don't killer's get less points for moris/bleed-outs than actually hooking and sacrificing survivors? So yes, technically it is a 'kill', but denying the killer the hook is just a way of trying to annoy them if they've been toxic/slugged.
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I agree with the OP. If a survivor dies in the trial for any reason, then the killer did their job and prevented their survival even if they didn't directly get the kill.
If a killer slugs me for the 4K I like to fully recover and then get crows. I just want to go next asap.
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The only death where I don't really feel like I "won" is the bleed out. Even the EGC sacrifice; if you are up and running and I kept you from the getting through the gate, I feel like I earned that.
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