When is the balance fix?

You’re right too about the short term changes. Even just fixing the matchmaking incentive as fast as possible would be good.

The 5 seconds of Endurance is better than nothing. It combines well with BT or OtR. I agree on giving DS its 5 seconds back. Will probably happen in a future update, since DS stun time has gone up and down over the years.

Thana isn´t as problematic as everyone claims. Its only useful on Legion and Plague.

Im very happy that with a single hit off hook. I can delete Base BT + BT buffed + OTR buffed.

Thana may not be that significant, but it's buff was unnecessary. It's created an issue that's mostly psychological, and could have been avoided entirely if it was nerfed to 4% instead of being buffed to 5.5%. That would still be an effective slowdown (on par with Gift of Pain) considering the increase to gen times compounding its effect.

Exactly this. Does everyone remember when Trickster was released, and BHVR said we would have to wait months for a rebalance, because we need to let it sit for a while? And we're still waiting for a Sadako balance fix, and we've been letting that sit for over a full chapter. This is the same energy BHVR should take with the giant rebalance patch. Let it sit for at least half a year.

5 seconds are better than nothing, but not much. Definitely not enough for all the buffs killers got. Survivors need more help against camping and tunneling at base, not just with perks, because then they are forced to use those perks.

The entire point of this patch was to have more perk variety, and for both sides to not be dependent on certain perks anymore. For survivor this changed not at all. And for killers, while they are less dependent on slowdown perks, the best builds are still just multiple slowdown perks stacked, because some of the slowdown perks are still too strong at the moment, now with the gen times being increased to 90 seconds.

I do think at the moment the game's balance is problematic. Tunneling needs to be nerfed more, camping needs to be nerfed, and certain slowdown perks also need to be nerfed. Then maybe we will see more balanced queue times again. I think the current killer queue times speak for themselves.

Lmao not everyone has the time to put into the game to become "skilled" at it. The game needs to be balanced for less experienced players as well.

And I seriously doubt everyone who complains about solo queue is simply not "skilled". There are simply aspects of this game that are pretty problematic at the moment. I've already listed them.

I also don't really see how the meta was broken up in a significant way. Former meta slowdown perks were just swapped with other slowdown perks, and survivors now use Off the Record instead of DS. The meta was shaken up a bit, but not enough in my opinion.

Again, the killer queue times speak for themselves. The devs will need to help out survivors now, and not only because they are catering to the "not so skilled" survivor players. Otherwise you could just as well make the argument that this patch catered to the not so skilled killer players in particular.

Why is it a problem if killers have a longer queue anyway, isn't that the ideal scenario? It means there are a healthy amount of killers to use for matchmaking. It's bad when the majority (survivors) have to wait longer in queue because there aren't enough killers.

Streamers have a biased interest in keeping their queue times low, but survivor queues should be faster than the killer's. The only reason to be alarmed is if the survivor numbers are dropping.

Honestly if they did that I think that would be the straw that broke the camel's back for most of the killer players and then we might actually see the pulse of DbD start to slow down. This patch showed that the Devs actually care a bit about both sides and gained some much need trust with them....if they rolled it back then that trust would be shattered beyond repair for many.

Yes, the survivors that sabotage the game aren´t realizing, that they are killing the game with their ridiculous demands for easy matches.

For once the game looks more balanced than ever and yet...

This could be very well a breaking point for DbD.

Of course there was. Who said that wasn't an issue?

And as far as I remember, that happened last when Circle of Healing was released. Survivor queue times went up noticeably, and for good reason. That perk just took away too much potential map pressure from killers. But it has been nerfed twice now.

Maybe the Dead Hard validation was also a problem, but that too was improved for killers afterwards.

Not only is this just whataboutism, but it's not even right.

Could we add a nerf to Nurse’s addons and a buff/rework to OTR to that list?

It did take them 3 months to nerf Circle of Healing for the first time. It released in October, in patch 5.3.0, and then received it's first nerf in 5.5.0. Then it got nerfed to what it is now in 5.7.0. So it actually took them 6 months to get Circle of Healing into a relatively balanced state.

Here is the link to the perk's Wiki page, you can see for yourself:

And no, I am not considering the nerfs boon perks got in general when they released to live in patch 5.3.0. The range reduction and increased time to bless a Hex totem did not do much at all.

Those changes sound good. So you mean the baseline health state could be used, and then after getting hit, survivors could use the endurance effect as well? Though even I admit that could lead to some annoying bodyblocking. I don't think bodyblocking once with an endurance health state is much of a problem, but having to go through 2 health states could definitely become a problem.

So in that case the survivor would have to lose their collision. And I am really not positive that the devs will do that.

DS absolutely needs to be 5 seconds. However, these changes all just address tunneling. Camping needs to be addressed as well. The devs should increase the hook phase duration of survivors from 60 to 70 or 75 seconds, and remove hook grabs. That would definitely help against camping killers, especially solo survivors.

Such changes would definitely help even out queue times again, but I still think some of the slowdown perks killers have would need to be looked at a bit as well. Some definitely need nerfs, especially Thanatophobia and Hex: Pentimento.

One thing I've been saying for a while is they should not allow slow down perks to stack, but increase gen speeds and super buff the slow down perks since they no longer stack. They would obviously have to be careful how they do this to not make one feel required and super easy, but this is just a suggestion. It would also free up A LOT of killer builds and allow for so much more variety.

Or adversely, they could slow gen speeds even more than than above, keep slow down stacking, and absolutely gut the heck out of slow downs to be a lot more niche, which also opens up more killer perk variety, as killers no longer want to run slow down together after they're gutted, but also no longer need to with gens also being adjusted more heavily at the same time.

Just revert the Killer basekit changes, everything else is fine.

But prob too much crying from all the killer "mains" if they do that cus they need the 34276935762945720357458ß38345983485344 training wheels for a 4k :)

6.10 was the balance fix.

Alternatively, do the balance fix yourself by improving your skills and/or playing without DCs so your MMR has time to adjust.

It's not a crazy terrible patch; I just don't see it that way. If anything more gets nerfed on the killer side, I at least expect a revert, not making anything weaker than it was pre-buff. On the survivor side, I'm not expecting anything to get nerfed, as we desperately need to let that meta settle and give people more time to figure stuff out. This patch didn't break the game, but whatever knee jerk reaction the devs are gonna do in response to the community backlash, that might break the game.