The Players must understand and accept, that BHVR cannot prevent tunneling and camping

The problem is being camped or tunneled isn't taking away your ability to play the game.

Survivor gameplay includes being on a hook. A killer camping you on the hook is not preventing you from engaging with survivor gameplay. Is it not fun, sure. The new perk on the ptb to pause the hook state can almost indefinitely extend the hook duration and while that counters camping the person on the hook certainly isn't having more fun.

As far as tunneling, being chased is also a part of survivor gameplay. A lot of survivors insist that the chase is the fun part of survivor gameplay. So while I can understand some people don't necessarily enjoy being immediately chased off hook before they could heal up, nothing about that is preventing you from playing the game.

Correct. That's why I am concerned about Reassurance and why I specified that we should get rid of scenario's where camping/tunneling is the best option.

It should be a rule among the community to camp and tunnel only when it is absolutely necessary to do so.

That is understandable.

I mean, they could just pause the timer on the hook until the killer leaves (and we're talking more than proxy camping, like straight up going somewhere else more the 40 meters from the hook) (So, a base kit kinship would be nice)

And for tunneling they could just give them a 50% haste speed boost if they're in chase getting right off hook.

BHVR can do much more than preventing camping and tunneling, the fact is, they refuse to cause they've taken a liking to it and said "It's apart of the game." It's really not, it's a choice people make. A bad choice, but still a choice.

It probably is.

However, they seem to enjoy band-aiding things with perks more than fixing core issues.

Tunneling, you could make a case for.

BHVR clearly wants Survivor to be able to be unhooked, otherwise they wouldn't have removed actual facecamping. Some Killers can still make it impossible to unhook the Survivor, ergo, we can infer from their past actions that this is not ideal.

I think that the problem is different. How to remove camping and tunneling without making it op?

I play both sides and do believe that tunneling and camping should be nerfed as they are currently too effective.

I just don't see tunneling and camping prevent survivors from playing the game. Being on a hook might not be engaging, but it's still part of survivor gameplay. It's fine you don't like a gameplay mechanic.

Yes, it's part of the gameplay mechanic, but it is not fun to hang on the hook for 2 minutes straight at the start of a match because the killer wants the easy kill to go for a 1v3. Then if you do get unhooked that same killer tunneling you for the exact same reason is still not fun for the survivor.

I get everyone is responsible for their own fun, but camping and tunneling are way too easy where a killer should have to work for their kills like survivors need to work for their escape.

So I am guessing you would have felt the same way back when they added Exhaustion to perks right? Why did we need exhaustion it's been that way since release? 😂

Good, then you know that telling people to just "accept" something isn't going to fly. They also would like to have fun playing the game they paid for.

As for "removing" it depends on what that means. If it means it is going to make it impossible for killers to camp but not lose the pressure they have via other means. Then yes removing it sounds much healthier.

The problem is you aren't even trying to be non-biased and it is showing by the simple fact that you want to keep an old unhealthy playstyle in a game that is nowhere near being where it was in 2016. This is 2022, the game needs to represent that, not 2016.

"can't"

They can remove the grabbing while unhooking, make bubba unable to down more than 1 survivor during a chainsaw sweep, make the new perk that stops the struggle bar basekit (or some version of it), they can make it so that the struggle bar is paused for a few seconds when the killer hits the survivor on the hook. They can do many things.

Hmm. Is playing normally or camping/tunneling worth more BP?

The game can disincentivise camping/tunnelling but I think these actions are basically impossible for the devs to remove.

Some of the ideas people suggest are too damaging to a killer’s agency. Plus if a survivor team has 2/3 really good loopers and 1/2 poor ones it makes absolutely no sense for the killer to try and spread the hooks evenly. Even with the killer buffs and extra ten seconds, if you try and play as nicely as possible by spreading the hooks around and get caught in chases with good loopers and don’t switch targets because you want to be a “nice” killer you will often lose the game.

There’s another issue as well in that the consensus seems to be that it’s acceptable to camp/tunnel at certain parts of the game but not at others. Even if we all agree on that, how can the devs design the game around that sort of etiquette? Implement a camping/tunnel recognition system for when the killer is struggling with nobody sacrificed and there’s only one generator left to repair? Ok, you get to camp the hook now. It just doesn’t work.

Probably the best changes would be to increase base kit BT, revert DS to 5 secs, remove hook grabs and if the killer is insanely close to the hooked survivor then maybe buff repair speeds. But any more than that would be too much.