What happened to survivors?

Survivors are frustrated to be forced to take on specific one dimensional builds to be useful to the team, and killers are frustrated to not see more variety in their opponents.

Had a Demo DCing yesterday because of Balanced Landing, got mad in endgame chat that "every survivor runs the same damn build" and that they regretted old Dead Hard meta because at least that was "f-ing easy to counter".

My understanding of survivor is that survivor use to be the power role. It was overwhelmingly more powerful and easier then killer. Now this wasn't exactly good, as this is where the idea of bullying comes from, as it doesn't feel good when a group gangs up on one side even if they are just playing the game. So the devs, started making countless changes to survivors to make it harder, they nerfed the majority of loops, nerfed a bunch of strong perks and refused to introduce more meta changing perks, and nerfed toolboxes and flashlights to the point that they aren't really useful unless you bring them in yourself, looting them from chests is a waste of time. This was all done for the sake of balance, and balance wise I actually supported most of these changes.

However the effect of this is that survivor is no longer causal friendly, its harder and requires far more focus. Survivors who say that the new patch made survivor unwinnable, are quite honestly just not good at the game. Survivor is very winnable, but you have to play way more serious, at least as serious as killers do. The problem with this, is a at its core.. survivor sucks. You know what hardcore survivor is? Gen simulator. Actual gen simulator, just doing a progress bar and leaving. Its not good, and now you need all of your teammates doing this the whole time. It use to be, why bother with half the perks for survivors as most of them are jokes. Now ruining half the perks is almost considered game throwing. The draw for survivor I found was the far more casualness of it compared to killer. Now you need to be focused and serious every match and its resulting in burnout. People are going into matches, getting a quick chase, go down, an then quit and move onto the next one.

There is a thing i don't get, survs complain about being "casuals who can't play", but here, i wonder where they were when i played before the patch, from my perspective "casuals" barely even existed.

This is why i have true doubts about them simply being "casuals".

Paradoxaly, after the patch, i seem to effectively go against a way much casuals, wich is great ofc, more fun.

This make me conclude there isn't that much casuals, or there is a bunch BUT they got too much babysited with overpowerful perks.

Also, there is complains about "bruh, i need to choose the same perks to have a chance to escape, 50% of the survs perks are trash tier blahblahblah"

Dude, you REALLY think it's different for us killers ? that's exactly the same ! I plead for now years for a total rework of the perks system, there is a way too much perks, they multiply over time, and we are still at 4 perks slots, what's the point ? Having 3k perks, most of them being useless because not good enough or just because they are factualy useless ? but still 4slots ? I also plead for special slots reserved for hex, even if they nerf the hex, at least, loosing "hex perks" in less than 30sec is not going to be a huge concern anymore, and it offer more gameplay to survs and killers.

Just cut the number of perks by half by combining them, end of story.

Here's my advice if you want a better survivor and SoloQ experience dodge low prestige survivors you're probably gonna tell me prestige doesn't mean anything,I used to think that Prestige meant nothing at first it was just recently introduced so theres no reason to pay attention to your teammates's prestige level.

After a few games with high prestige survivors my SoloQ experience has been way more enjoyable you're actually playing with teamates who uses their brains and are not so clueless like the low prestige one.

Even if we lose the game it's fine because at least we didn't die at 4 gens because of a clueless teammate who's just braindead and is the weak link in the team killers will always go for the bad looper and the clueless survivors that keep doing stupid plays.

So yes if you guys want a better SoloQ survivor experience keep dodging lobbies until you find some mid/high prestige survivors trust me your games are gonna be way more FUN and enjoyable even if the killer gets a 4k it's fine because I still enjoyed the match and all of us played well.

Is it really that binary, either play those meta perks or get face camped every game?

I got other experiences. Of coursecI get camped every once in a while, but that's often a short affair, I either die to a quick 1-2-3 combo or I get away and do something cool elsewhere.

But I want tp play my Blastmine/Head-On/Quick'n'Quiet build most of the time :) So I take that occasional camping into account.

If you want to win you should be putting some effort into doing so. The fact that people were so used to being able to casually win against their opponents was a problem.

Didn’t someone suggest once in the past that passive abilities for each survivor would make them more enjoyable?

Dwight: he’s a leader right? So maybe you can always see his aura when you play with a Dwight.

Meg: an athlete recovers faster from exhaustion? Or moves faster while running by like 2%?

Claudette: a botanist/ scientist passively has more efficiency at healing with medkits? Or just built-in passive healing efficiency.

Jake: he’s a lone wolf; a survivor. When near the killer 16m and not in a chase his survival instincts kick in. He’s quiet and leaves no blood trails. (Idk that could be a perk but maybe you guys will have better ideas).

thoughts? I think this would make survivors more relatable and fun

Being on the hook is playing the game. Survivor gameplay doesn't stop at the hook.

I remember games where spawn camping was a problem, because it prevented people from playing. so yes, there are other games where that happened. Just sad noone learned from them.

except you gain nothing from being stuck on a hook to a face camper. At least working on gens you get some bp. If you are the first on the hook and get camped the entire match you get nothing, no fun or bp.

You can't be casual anymore. You either tryhard to have an attempt at winning, or die.

Question about this. I get not wanting to be forced to run certain perks, but its the same on killer. Unless you are playing nurse or blight with really good add-ons then you have to take gen regression/slow down. There's nothing fun or interesting about these perks either but you do just straight up lose against good players without them. Even lilith on blight with no slowdown will lose games vs good swfs, even with alch-ring and green speed.

Being hooked is a natural sequence of survivor gameplay. The recent changes the devs made were intent on speeding up chases meaning the killer is designed to win chases and hook survivors. Hook states are a resource survivors have to play with. Generally you want to try to protect the survivors who have the least amount of hook states when possible as keeping everyone alive as long as you can is ideally for completing generators.

While it is possible in chases were you massively outskilled your opponent to never go down, that is not what the game is designed around.

I feel as though I have to sit on a gen or I'm letting the team down. More frequently games are ending with multiple gens still to go, and if I've cleansed a totem or opened a chest that game then I feel like I wasted precious time. I even watch streamers getting frustrated, saying like 'why is Jake cleansing a totem, get on a gen!' Or 'why is Nea just running around? she should be on a gen!' I haven't used Prove Thyself in ages but I'm feeling like I have to in order to help the team. We should be able to do other objectives without feeling like we're potentially throwing the game. Idk. That's just my gripe.

But is it meaningful gameplay? I'd argue that it isn't. The killer facecamping the survivor and preventing them from being unhooked is preventing them from playing the game in any meaningful capacity.

Dangling from a hook is not meaningful gameplay. Hitting skill checks on the hook is not meaningful gameplay.

A combo of solo queue being worse than ever and camping and tunneling being easier than before.

If you made it to the end of the game and were slugged, you can't complain about non-participation. Similarly, being slugged with the chance for your teammates to pick you back up is arguably better than being face-camped at 5 gens.

I very, very hardly think it's gona see the light, it's game breaking, plus, you already got sabotage.

I really don't get why camping and tunneling are easier, you got a base kit borrow time and speed boost, it's not nothing and counter tunneling, plus, you still have DS if it's a true tunnel.

But i think of something, you say it's easier to do that since the big patch, but nothing on killer get changed to incite them to do this, exept the change done do thanato a little farther, but it's really not enough.

So i got a suposition; killers queue are longer, this mean two things, ther is less survs and more killers, maybe it's just survs who start to play killers but play like they played survs (toxic) ? A bully will be a bully you know ?

And anyway, as i said most times, you feel way too much tunneled and camped even if it's hazardous or legitimate in some ways. So i don't really take the sayings of survs as true on this.