Why do I get bullied for using self care?

Its a hit to team efficiency, as your time self caring is a large portion of time you're actively not participating on gens, in a chase, or otherwise progressing the match. Its still a very valid perk, but its usage often reduces your impact on completing objectives. DBD seconds can be extremely relative depending on what else is occurring in the match, which is something thats always important to remember as either side. Knowing when and where to use it mitigates a good chunk of all of that.

Basically they're being jerks for being rude about it, but there are reasons teammates might prefer if you used more efficient healing methods

one thing that i'm happy for is that all these self-care users can now use self-care+hyper focus+this is not happening. finally they'll be useful teammates that can press m1 on gens and press m1 on healing without giving the killer free 4k's.

Again, time can be very relative. if the time you took prevented a gen from being done in time, it can be the start of a snowball of pressure for the killer. Can't really say either way without being in the matches myself, so its up to you how you apply the knowledge.

you have a nancy pfp... and youre using Self Care!? The betrayal!!!! - Bone Enjoyer

In all seriousness, its because of the negative reputation the perk has because the majority of people dont use the perk correctly. You dont heal at every chance you get, thats VERY inefficient and that time is better spent working on gens. Sure that one heal you just got may have saved you in the moment, but it may have also cost you the game because you spent 45 seconds healing yourself. Thats literally 50% of a generator.

Only time you should be Self Caring, is to finish off a partial heal, or heal yourself during Endgame. Using it that way benefits you and the team the most.

Don't mind other people, just play your game. It's solo-q, it's your loadout, so no-one should care if you even came with no perks at all.

Out of curiosity though, i can understand the need to want to heal yourself if you're finding others aren't helping you, but wouldn't a Medkit with charge addons be more efficient for you? If it's because you wanted to use a Toolbox, you could make up for the loss of that with the 2 perks freed up, maybe Resilience and Prove to speed up gens. Even bring CoH yourself (if you have Mikaela in your roster that is), then you have a spare perk to use for anything else too.

I think what a lot of people forget is that there are a lot of moments in a game where you aren't in a good position to be on a gen but you also aren't literally running. Maybe you're hiding from the killer briefly, maybe you're checking things out from a high vantage point, maybe you're waiting to see if a killer is still chasing you, etc. The advantage of Self Care then is it turns all those idle moments into times you can partially build up your healing bar. Even when you don't heal fully, unless you're Hemorrhaging you won't lose any partial heals you do. So Self Care is allowing you to squeeze extra time efficiency out of the short periods you otherwise might be wasting, all without needing anything else like a med kit or someone nearby or to be in range of a Boon, etc. Just anywhere, any time you want, heal a split sec when you're not doing something else, then get back to business.

So yeah, it's not ideal to use it as your primary healing source, but it's a good secondary partial healing source to fill in the gaps.

It was nerfed to ground and survivors already used to lose games before patch because selfcaring in corner instead doing gens. But good solo survivors usually knew when to use it and when not to so it was actually decent in higher mmr.

That assumes they have CoH and are decent at finding totems.

Self Care + Botany is on Claudette who's free. CoH is on Mikaela who is not.

Bring a med-kit.

Or bring CoH.

Every player I've seen using Self-Care since it's nerf have been found sitting in or near corners Healing.

Why wouldn't you bring a med-kit?

Rounds can fall apart for a thousand different reasons, and regularly it's due to hundreds of things adding up (often being hundreds of seconds survivors spend doing useless stuff instead of repairing gens, but that's just the most obvious one). If one were to seriously analyze those rounds of yours, I'm confident we'd find a lot of stuff that went wrong that was equally if not much more detrimental to the round than you self-healing with Self-Care. And since you use Botany Knowledge with it, that is almost certainly true.

The thing with Self-Care always has been that it's actually time-efficient: another survivor healing you takes 16 seconds, but since both you and that survivor are occupied with that heal, the total invested roundtime is 32 seconds. That's the same time investment SC required for a heal, and it did so reliably at any time and any place, not requiring a second survivor, not being as vulnerable to getting temporarily interrupted, and regularly being even more time-efficient due to those facts (another survivor healing you means they are leaving whatever they were doing to join you at some place to heal and then have to go back, which is an extra time investment not needed if you can heal yourself). Plus grouping up with other survivors can enable snowball scenarios, spreading out and healing by oneself is usually a better play for that reason as well, not least because multiple survivors being interrupted simultaneously also means more time being wasted in the process.

But there is of course an important caveat: the time you spend healing actually has to be a worthwhile investment. And that's where most people go wrong with the perk - they are not good enough to actually use those health states to good effect, or they don't know when it is beneficial to heal and when it is best to stay injured in order to do other things. Just for one simplified example, if a survivor spends 32 seconds healing themselves instead of repairing a generator, but then despite being healthy still dies in 20 seconds in their next chase, them healing was most likely not time well spent. And there are countless different scenarios where this can be true, such as survivors healing when the killer will one-shot them anyway, or healing when instead they could be finishing a crucial generator that otherwise will be getting contested and perhaps never finished, or instead of pressuring an unhook and the hooked survivor transitions or dies, or they spend a minute looking for a "safe spot" to heal every time, or they throw away health states taking hits for no reason, and so on, rounds falling apart in large part due to it. So basically, SC was only ever really worth it in the hands of competent survivors that knew when to heal and when not to, and on which a health state actually regularly has a substantial impact on the match.

Now that Self-Care takes ~45 seconds to heal oneself with, the basic time efficiency argument doesn't work out anymore. I still don't think Self-Care is a "killer perk" now, far from, but the amount of situations in which healing yourself with it will be worth it have been notably reduced, and that's even if you are a survivor that can make real good use of those health states. So much so that I think using Circle Of Healing or simply a Med-Kit is just the better choice. Or even Bond to more reliably go for altruistic heals. That said, if you have Botany with SC, the self-healing time is cut down to 30 seconds, again putting it within the time-efficient range. So if you are a reasonably smart and competent survivor that knows when to heal and how to wield health states to good effect, SC + Botany is still a completely sensible loadout choice.

Run whatever you want, whenever you want - Don't let other people dictate your perks. Run No mither every game for a month if you want to.

Just be conscious of time management, Self care even in it's butchered state still is a decent perk for the endgame I think since gates are done quickly and being healthy is top priority

Also yeah, medkits and circle are a thing.

I mean if we are losing and i see someone selfcaring in a corner constantly yeah...i'm not going to be very happy about it. Sometimes you need to be injured and do stuff.

Healing against legion is most of the times waste of time yet i see people self caring every 20 seconds .

Self carer can ruin the team sometimes.

I'm using Self-Care/BK/Bite the Bullet/Overcome and doing great.

They are just being salty. They use some trumped-up reason to cast the loss on someone because it's easier than seeing the match as a whole and looking at their own mistakes.

Don't worry about it. The game has perks and many synergies for a reason and players are free to do as they please. Self-care is actually part of a very efficient high-end build, without Botany Knowledge.

"Wow... you ran self care? No wonder we lost..."

That's not bullying.

Not quite related to the op, but as an alternative, does anyone have luck with Pharmacy? Is it good to run or pretty situational?