Killers are op now

Yup but those are pretty rare though so that does make killer very strong now.

Okay let me get this straight for you. I didn't talk about the meta changes in 6.1 specifically.

I just asked you what is the difference here to before patch 6.1 beside a change in the survivors attitude?

The scenario you're describing in this first sentence i was talking about was a possibility before patch 6.1 as well as after.

We all knew that most optimal playing survivor are nigh unbeatable by none other than comp playing killers or equivalents.

I don't see the majority of survivor really suddenly getting so efficient as to have 100% "god looper" in all games. If the recent changes to the meta would've been enough to suddenly wake everybody up to play like a pro then it would've happened before because thats not really anything but a mentality change. The possibility were already there.

Ehm, what? 3 people slamming gens would mean 3 gens done even before the first person is sacrifised. A gen takes 90 seconds and sacrifice (120 seconds) plus first chase and even finding the first survivor should be way above that.

"50 seconds are an ENTIRE extra gen to do"? Are you calculating suddenly with a gen done by 2+ people for your argument here or what? Because it's still only 10 seconds extra PER GEN and all speedup would need to be calculated individually per gen.

Those extra 50 seconds over all can be everything from average 10-15 seconds at best up to several minutes in overall trial time depending on the regression perks the killer has and so on. Not nearly as clear cut ad you want make it seem.

I know you didnt mention anything in regards to the strength, I was kind of just adding onto what you said. Since I feel like someone might see the 0.65 second charge up and assume it's stronger than it really is. (I mean, one of the first things the post complains about is Wraith... the only people who complain about Wraith are less experienced players who dont really understand things that well. So I responded with that mindset, keep in mind.)

Also, what's the issue with using it as a zoning tool? I still Shred people regardless, if people take the window, I hit them with Shred, if people run away to avoid Shred, I still can hit them with Shred (suggesting I dont mess up, it happens sometimes, I am an idiot sometimes). But there are times where regardless I am a menace to society, getting long wall and shack Shred hits will never not be satisfying, almost as satisfying as curving with Billy (reason why I main Billy and Demo, but currently more Demo than Billy since Garden of Joy is everything except for joy when playing Billy).

That's exactly what I mentioned though.

Or just run double shadow dance, brutal, iron maiden, bamboozle, and another perk and just watch how fast Wraith smashes, opens, and vaults, SOO funny, lol

The very best about Demos Shred js that it makes running the shack 93% unsafe. If you charge it and release once you are in the door, you will literally always hit the survivor vaulting the window. You just need to get the timing right. So satisfying.

Pyramid head,trickster,deadslinger,nemesis and half of the rooster wanna talk with you about cooldown of their abilities a.k.a powers.

Good luck on friday 13th is a game filled with hackers.

Dont forget of hackers.

Wraith isn't OP, you're not taking into account his powerful addons that he can use the entire game if he wanted to, all ive been seeing is Wraith because of this reason

Thats the way killers should be. But to get more people play survivors rather than killers and make the queue's better - increase in BP playing as a survivors would def do it.

So you just want the devs to ignore the clear difference in queue times for each role?

I can maybe understand the argument that the devs shouldn't touch any slowdown perks anymore, even though I very much believe that Pentimento and Eruption need a nerf.

But nothing done about camping and tunneling? Have some people still not realised that DBD is suffering a shortage of survivor players? I understand that maps like Eyrie of Crow or Cowshed are still a problem. But the game can't be balanced around the worst maps in the game. Maps in general have already become more balanced with the baseline buffs that killers got. Survivor sided maps obviously still exist, but that is no reason to not nerf camping and tunneling right now.

The next step for BHVR is to nerf camping and tunneling, and then continue on from there. If killers end up needing buffs after that for example, then BHVR could buff them in different ways as well. It is true that some maps definitely need to be looked at. But right now, considering queue times, camping and tunneling need to be nerfed next. Or there need to be solo queue buffs. But in my opinion, nerfing camping and tunneling should have the highest priority.

thanks dbd for allowing this behavior plus the face camp and hitting while on the hook thank you for taking perks away to help combat that behavior from killers

Game is completely binary. You go down instantly or you are literally untouchable to more than half the roster, and there's no in-between.

Actually, that's literally impossible.

Counselors at the highest level in that game are by far the power role. It's just that you never ever see it because there's no matchmaking system. Also, no DC penalty, and you're getting constant people DCing.

Tbh I though F13 was abandoned by the developers because of the hacking issues.

A lot of those things did get fixed before they had to stop working on the game, everyone got servers be it pc or console so no more hosting, they put a DC system in and you could leave once you got your results be if escaping or getting killed and they put it in that you could pick if you want to be Jason more, Counselor or both but even if you picked counselor you would still end up being Jason at some point.

That doesn't make any sense to me, because unless all of the players in the lobby had their preference to counselor, why would it ever pick a counselor preferring person to be Jason?

Because they wanted everyone to play Jason at some point, the group of friends i played with the few that picked counselor might of got Jason 1-2 times a week and that was playing everyday for 6 hours.

Killer queue times are still clealry longer than survivor queue times. Mine have been fairly short during the evening as well, but they are definitely still longer during the day. Survivor queue times are just instant, no matter when. And some people seem to be suffer much more from killer queue times, going up to 10 minutes or so. It seems different dependent on the region and mmr you are playing in. So yeah, something needs to be done.

Pentimento is not easy to deal with if you are playing solo queue. Inrceasing gen times to 128 seconds is just ridiculous. Also, i wouldn't mind the idea of a 6 meter explosion radius on Eruption. But only if the incapacitated effect duration gets decreased. Because yes, right now it is too strong, against solo survivors.

I also have no idea how 6.1.0 was bad for killers. That is clearly not the general opinion. The baseline buffs to killers were all great, and also outweighed the nerfs that the meta perks received. They still have good regression and slowdown perks, two of them even being op. Going for hooks is much more viable now. The problem is that survivors didn't receive any baseline buffs against camping and tunneling.

Also, and again, I can not stress this enough, but nerfing camping and tunneling doesn't mean killers will only win if they go for 12 hooks. You'll still be able to kill a survivor before you have 2-hooked everyone. Ideally, at some point, the most optimal way to play killer would be to 2-hook every survivor before you start killing them, but I do agree the game is not their yet for that to be posible, and I am not sure if it ever will be, or if something like that could even be implemented.

But nerfing camping and tunneling in adequate ways is more than necessary right now, and will surely not make the majority of killer players leave the game. The majority of killer players aren't bad losers that always just blame the game for their losses. At least I would hope so.

Increasing the hook phase duration from 60 to 70 seconds and removing hook grabs, as well as increasing the endurance and haste effect duration from 5 to 10 seconds would not make killers unplayable. Not even close. It wouldn't force them to 2 hook every survivor before going for a kill, it would just nerf camping and tunneling a bit, to make those straregies less effective, so killers couldn't crutch on those as much, and survivors could have more fun matches.

I think it's quite simple. Either the devs can ignore these problems, so that some killer players can keep these crutches, or they try to keep balancing the game properly for their average community, which would also balance out killer queue times again, which is definitely needed.

And here is another thing. Assuming that BHVR continues to actually try to balance the game properly, which, in case of camping and tunneling nerfs, they clearly would, the devs could try and further balance the game, and maybe buff killers a bit more, if after the camping and tunneling nerfs, we end up with a shortage of killer players, and survivor queue times go up. However, instead of having insanely cheap and skillless strategies like camping and tunneling be too strong, they could then buff other aspects of killers, aspects that encourage healthy and fun gameplay. That's how you keep improving and balancing a game properly.

For example, if there is one aspect that the devs should definitely still consider buffing, it is the immediate regression after kicking a gen. I could definitely see it being increased from 2,5% to 5% for example.

Maps are surely another aspect that should be looked at. But surely survivor sided maps shouldn't be made more balanced before they nerf camping and tunneling? I wouldn't mind if we saw some balance changes to maps in the same patch in which camping and tunneling are nerfed, but right now, because of longer killer queue times, nerfing camping and tunneling has the highest priority, and it should happen asap as well. They surely shouldn't wait for those nerfs because of other balance changes.

I also don't quite agree with so many maps being unbalanced. I agree, Temple of Purguation is a pretty balanced map. But in my opinion, so are maps like Champbell's Capel, Rotten Fields, Rancid Arbattoir, or the Yamaoka maps. I also don't think there are that many more survivor sided maps than there are killer sided maps, now after the baseline buffs to killers. Dead Dawg Saloon, Midwhich, Azarov's Resting Place, possibly Iron Keep and Wrecker's Yard after the killer buffs, are killer sided. Perhaps even the swamp maps. Not sure.

On the survivor side we then have maps like Torment Creek, Suffocation Pit, Gas Heaven, The Game, Groaning Storehouse and Ormont perhaps, maybe also Thompson's House. And then of course the extreme cases, which are Eyrie of Crows and Fractured Cowshed. So while I agree the maps on average are still slightly more survivor sided, I don't think there are that big differences anymore.