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I don't understand why there are still useless addons in this game

Just looking at Wraith's or Doctor's perks and comparing them with Bubba's or Myers makes me cringe hard.

I don't get it, why can some killers have no downsides to most of their addons while others barely have any that are useful.

I'm telling you, add-ons are the main thing that make me play Wraith and Doctor more than other killers. I feel like no matter what I pick, even if they are yellow, They still help a bit.

On the other hand, I don't even play Myers unless I have certain addons, cause I fell very underpowered. And Bubba, that guy basically only has the chilli and the chains, the scratch marks are very situational, cause they might help sometimes and other times they might make you not get a kill that you'd otherwise get due to the increased time it takes for you to go for a sweep.

It's pretty obvious to everyone that many addons are straight garbage, and that some killers have very little options when it comes to them.

An addon should not hinder you, you should not think about whether you're gonna suffer more than benefit from one.

As I said, Doctor and Wraith are good examples on how addons should be, why can't we have that all around the board ?

Comments

  • malibu_barbie_26
    malibu_barbie_26 Member Posts: 79

    Why even have brown anything available? I wish I could cash in my unused offerings and items/add-one. And just getting half BP back would give me an easy 2mil blood points.

  • KerJuice
    KerJuice Member Posts: 2,104

    A lot of the add-ons for survivor items are useless too. Like the key add-ons that let you see survivor auras for use of the key’s energy. Or the map marker. Or the pliers that reduce gen repair noise. No one uses those. I don’t ever see them in post game menus. You know why? Useless.

    And they need to rework my boy Meyer’s add-ons. I sware to gawd I get more 4K’s with his brown add-ons than his yellow’s and most greens.

  • Murgleïs
    Murgleïs Member Posts: 1,107
  • KerJuice
    KerJuice Member Posts: 2,104

    Let’s agree to disagree.

    It’s like I said in my previous statement- you don’t see our community using those add-ons, and there is a reason for that- they’re useless. Now when I say they’re useless, I don’t mean it in a literal sense. Obviously if someone REALLY wanted to try and get some value with it, they technically could. But it’s not worth the inventory slot when there are much better options/add-ons available. And that’s exactly what you see today whenever players equip key and maps (which in themselves are rare in 2022). So hence, the stuff i listed above are “useless.”

    The points OP made are not literally “useless” either. But when you compare them to the other add-ons, they don’t hold a candle- and that’s why Bubbas don’t use them.

  • ThePrizz
    ThePrizz Member Posts: 111

    Well, I didn't necessarily want to make a point only about killer addons, even though I gave them as an example, but.....

    The addons that you mention still can give you value without any real downsides. Seeing the aura of other survivors can definitely help you if you're a solo survivor and run perks that need you to be in the presence of other survivors, and not making any noise when repairing is very good against killers that don't use whispers or have aura reading. Cause for example when I play killer and I'm at the beginning of the game, unless I have whispers, I listen for the gen repairing sound to find survivors, you can also make plays by repairing near the killer during mid/late game, if he doesn't have direct line of sight of you he won't be able to tell if the gen is being worked on unless he waits a little and hears the pistons speeding up or he kicked it beforehand.

    You need to think about addons in terms of "Is this gonna give me value if I use it and how often will it do so, also is there a chance that I would do better without this addon in certain situations ?".

    Bubba's muffler for example will only trigger if you play bad and hit something other than a survivor with your chainsaw. You can't really predict if you'll get value or not with this, and most of the time if you're playing good you won't get any value out of it. The marks even if you get a move speed boost, can hinder you around windows.

    It's very weird when you think around how they are balanced. Wraith has a perk that shows you the auras of survivors around you while invisible, while Bubba has an addon that does the same but you need to rev your chainsaw for it to work. The wraith addon is 10x better.

    I'd rather not feel like "oh man I should have picked something else instead" when after choosing certain addons, cause that's why they're there for, to give you a helping hand

  • Jeromy137
    Jeromy137 Member Posts: 348

    I agree that there are some addon's that need to be removed or reworked but there are addon's that are very powerful that need a slight or major downside to be fair

    The artist has some of the worst addon's in the game like she has 3 that show the survivors where your crows are with no benefit to her ability

  • ThePrizz
    ThePrizz Member Posts: 111

    I mean, I kind of get the idea behind having different quality addons in order to balance out the bloodweb, but even if they're brown, let them give you a little bit of an advantage for god's sake

  • Jeromy137
    Jeromy137 Member Posts: 348

    Depends on the killer for the brown addon's some killers actually have some decent brown addon's

  • ThePrizz
    ThePrizz Member Posts: 111

    I agree that are some that are too powerful too.

    But that's the thing, the base kit of the Killer should already be strong enough to let you have a decent game, you should not depend on addons. All they have to do is give you small boosts in different areas.

  • Jeromy137
    Jeromy137 Member Posts: 348

    Agreed addons should be a boost with some needing downsides depending on how powerful they are majority of addons should not be bad but to many are bad

  • ThePrizz
    ThePrizz Member Posts: 111

    But that's the idea, it shouldn't be "some killers" it should be all killers and all addons should be decent.

    Why would you even create an addon if it's not decent ? What's the point of it ?

    Like what's the point of the grease for Bubba ? It lets you rev the chainsaw more before you'll throw a tantrum. It would be an ok-ish perk if you wouldn't get slowed when you're revving, but currently it is very counter-productive. The only thing this achieves currently is help with camping a little bit, which is not a good thing for the game

  • ThePrizz
    ThePrizz Member Posts: 111

    I believe the Iri addons for the Huntress are the perfect example of how strong addons should be balanced.

    Insta down but you'll need to hit that one hatchet or you'll need to reload at a locker.

    Move speed boost but only when you're out of your power ? Fair

  • Silasy
    Silasy Member Posts: 228

    Most of killers addons are badly designed. Some killers needs an addon pass asap especially Billy, Pyramid, Freddy, Deathslinger and Sadako.

  • Mr_K
    Mr_K Member Posts: 10,346

    Good addons are instantly demonised and campaign against.

  • MrDardon
    MrDardon Member Posts: 4,180
  • OrangeBear
    OrangeBear Member Posts: 3,502

    Because they need to always make 20 add-ons for killers so the bloodweb works as intended. coming up with 20 add-ons for certain killers is very hard because some powers just aren't very customisable.

  • Norhc
    Norhc Member Posts: 575

    The chains? None of the chains addons are good, lmao. Also, it's "Beast's" Marks and its "situationality" is barely ever relevant. It always greatly helps in loops which is all that matters.

  • Biscuits
    Biscuits Member Posts: 1,097

    Both useless and overpowered addons are equally problematic, I would say the overpowered ones are more problematic.

  • neb
    neb Member Posts: 790

    hey don't disrespect confetti bottles

  • ThePrizz
    ThePrizz Member Posts: 111

    I mean they always apply a debuff to survivors whenever you hit them, maybe except the one that drops their item in case they have none, but you're getting value on every chainsaw hit

  • Friendly_Blendette
    Friendly_Blendette Member Posts: 2,923

    Brown addons arent useless it mostly comes down to the killer one of sadakos most essential addons is brown. And demos best 3 are yellow and 2 browns. Also billy has good browns but that mostly is because his addons are pretty much all #########.

  • ThePrizz
    ThePrizz Member Posts: 111

    I mean, people are actually paid in order to come up with ideas and implement them.

    I can't imagine paying someone to come up with a bunch of addons like we currently have, I'd fire them instantly to be honest.

    I get it that some things could end up being OP but that's why you can tinker with numbers and that's also why you have a PTB, to constantly test stuff.

    • For example, Bubba could have addons that decrease the time it takes to rev the chainsaw before going into a sweep. Yes, if it would shave off a lot of out of it it would become op, but numbers like 0.1/0.2/0.3 should be fine I guess.
    • He could have an addon that lets you press m2 a second time after the revving meter goes above 70% in order to start the sweep faster but only be able to go for 1 charge. Now maybe it needs to be more than 70% in order for it not to be OP, but it's ok, they can tinker with those numbers. All I'm saying that possibilities exist.

    I could come up with plenty other ideas:

    • At the end of his tantrum, the closest survivor to Bubba has his aura revealed for 4 seconds.
    • During his sweep, all survivors that can hear his chainsaw have a decreased repairing speed.
    • While he's out of chainsaw charges, the next m1 hit inflicts deep wound.
    • During his tantrum, the closest generator that is being worked on is highlighted to Bubba.