Why Devs punish killer for tunneling instead of incentivize mixed hook?

Sorry if my post sounded harsh, I was just a little confused. If you really want to tunnel the haste isn't too big a deal as long as you are around when they are unhooked. I think the solution has to be some form of both incentives and "punishment" however. People will still tunnel even if it increases gen speed because 3 survivors are still going to accomplish far less than 4. Unfortunately, I don't think it is possible to remove tunneling from the game without just making it really hard to do, unless they do a complete rework of the game.

I keep seeing survivors saying that they are being tunneled almost every game. Is this not an indication of said survivor-induced tunneling? You have three teammates why are you being tunneled every game?

It's a very simple cause and effect. If the cause of tunneling is that gens are too fast, then surely shorter chases for killers, and shorter basic attack cooldown alongside increased gen times and nerfs to survivors should reduce tunneling, no? It makes sense, logically, since that is in and of itself the proverbial carrot.

The stick is that survivors got 80 seconds of Endurance in the form of Off the Record. This brings us back to not tunneling, and having shorter chases. Going for the unhooker instead, you waste less time, which means more time to pressure gens.

Of course, while all of this makes sense logically, it did absolutely nothing to deter tunneling and only made it stronger because removing someone from the game early is efficient.

At least the people who claim they tunnel because it's efficient are being honest, which is in stark contrast to the ones who are constantly moving the goal posts. "Gens go too fast", "Chases take too long", "Regression perks got nerfed", etc.

Survivor-induced tunneling is when somebody makes a very obviously bad play such as abusing their endurance to take a protection hit/body block the killer, or when somebody unhooks before the killer's even had time to leave the hook.

I get tunneled almost every game for no reason other than I'm the first one found and hooked, which is usually a 2 and a half gen chase. I'm far from being the "weak link" of the team, and my teammates play well enough that I've been on hook for around 15 - 30 seconds before they rescue.

Tunneling would be less prevalent with DS not only getting the 5 second stun back, but also being able to be used twice, once per hook state. Killers tunneled slightly less before DS got nerfed because the more gens you lose on one chase, the less efficient tunneling becomes.

Yes, you're right about the cause of tunneling being that it's effective, which is why it's a problem. It should be and could be more efficient to not tunnel, but BHVR is against outright punishing tunneling which creates this weird problem where every solution is just a bandaid.

DS being strong isnt a valid enough solution imo. The fix shouldnt be behind a paywall and this is just gonna bring back the slugging for days form of tunneling. And DS in general makes the game less fun overall imo. Its 1 less perk slot for survivors. Its one of those perks that influences games even without it being there which is easily my least favourite abstract thing in the game. Also sometimes it just comes outta the blue because survivors try to get your attention. For example a game I played 2 nights ago as pinhead a claudette got off hook went off to be healed then did the PH box if I teleported to her now with old DS she would still be protected and even if she didnt have it it isnt worth the risk to try and protect my box which yes could be fixed by making killer powers conspicuos actions but still there are many situations such as when there is 2 survivors left where DS becomes an incovienience that slows down gameplay or pepople who use DS to run around in your face trying to interupt you chasing other survivors.

Something like survivors who are unhooked gain lowered gen speeds until they are hooked again and that grows for each survivor thats been hooked less than them or something simalar to grim embrace basekit where after hooking 4 different survivors in a row you gain some form of bonus it doesnt even have to be slowdown it could be auras, exposed, mobility, help in chase anything to benefit the killer. Something universal. Even in just the satisfaction of gameplay it would be a better design. I would say more people find it rewarding to play well and get a reward rather than punishing someone for being a dick.

I gotta say 5 second BT I can understand, but this huff is a terrible idea.

"An unhooked survivor cannot be hurt by any means for the next 30 seconds but does not have collision with the Killer. These effects end early if the survivor takes any conspicuous action and do not trigger during the End Game collapse. A survivor benefitting from this protection is highlighted in white".

There you go, tunneling died without unbalancing the game.

There is really no incentive to play this game at all no matter what role you choose

There are perks that reward you for leaving the hook. Killers still camp. Built in 5 seconds of BT, killers still tunnel. If a person wants to camp or tunnel, nothing you do will change that if all they care about is winning at the core. It's simple as that. Slugging would be a guaranteed win with slowdown upon slowdown by using perks plus walking away from a hook.

We just need more good, strong perks that reward hooking different survivors like Grim Embrace and No way out. Well I wouldn't say Grim Embrace is super strong but you still get the point, give me more perks that do that sorta thing.

They nerfed Thana because the slowdown was making games almost unbearable to play. Certain killer powers made it even more obnoxious. I will never agree to free slowdown. I started this game from the beginning and saw each change balance each side. I've lived through so many game breaking bugs, I could write 2 paragraphs about it.

I play both sides but slowly, I've been pushed to play killer almost solely because I'm sick of the slowdown and teammates who do nothing and killers who face camp then proceed to trade and face camp the new person. After all the changes over the years to fix certain problems, we got swivel hooks and perks.

Because just the one isn't enough.

We literally got a patch with a bunch of baseline killer buffs, and even on day one, when no one could say how effective those buffs would be, some people still just camped and tunneled again.

Killers got a bunch of buffs that did indeed help them, now it's the survivors time to get something against camping and tunneling. That's kind of how BHVR should balance their game.

You can't just buff killers and let survivors in the dust with their frustrations. In future, I would like to see the devs continue in this direction. Motivating the killer even more to go more for hooks with some buffs, especially by making some of the problematic maps fairer, and camping and tunneling being further nerfed, as they are very unhealthy for the game.

Then that's the devs fault for having a poor foundation. I'm just spitballing here.

Gens are faster than ever.

Many maps are still busted.

Any good team will do gens in five minutes.

If they ever make tunneling too difficult, win rates will most likely drop significantly. Then they'll have the choice to revert it or to make gens even slower (or finally prevent doing them in parallel). They also could make gens reparations require pieces to find and bring. After all, the only player who is doing something interesting is the tunneled one. Doing gens is boring and easy : the antithesis of fun.

I don't see it fixed anytime soon.

It wasn't harsh. You were just giving your side. Have a good one, mate.