Thanks, BHVR, for keeping the game in fun and healthy state.

So tell us what happened with The Trapper in your last game? You got into the basement didn´t you?

Sorry, but I disagree. Yo can’t finish the gens against a face camper, so the best move is run to the hook asap, ######### and find another match

Yeah, go to the next game and move on with your day instead of staying angry.

Running to the hook is a suicide but I guess. If you try to unhook the campee, especially that early in the game, all you're gonna do is just keep trading hooks until you die. Honestly, doing totems and praying for hatch or exit gate is the best bet.

Solo q in a nutshell. The other survivors are running to the hook instead of doing Gens. And why? Because they have no idea the Huntress is camping. So much wasted time because they have no information. That's why, in my opinion, kindred should be basekit. But this conversation has been going nowhere for years. Fortunately, I have not had to deal with it for a long time now.

Yeah, if the killer is camping, you can get gens done and escape if the remaining team actually tries. If not, then it's every person for themselves 🤷

True, just like if I have an archive quest I really wanna get done.

Are you sure you're not Bob Dylan?

"So which pidgeonholded argument do you want me to fight? Because I'm not going to list every single variable that makes your assessment of the time wastes involved with the perk relevant, things like chase start time/time to down/time to reach a hook are all going to be diferent but they are all going to be more than zero, which was the point I was trying to get through to you. I've never even implied that the perk doesn't have any of the time wastes your mentioned, and havent disagreed with you about any of them. I've just stated that you are purposely ignoring that its something that affects both sides and trying to weigh your outlook to only focus on the negatives for your side. This game is absolutely full of worthless time wastes, but at least those ones are to get value out of a perk rather than a core mechanic."

You haven't made any compelling arguments as to how Reassurance is going to successfully subvert camping. If your points are merely an opposition to my own, that won't work. Survivor time and killer time isn't a 1:1 correlation. Taking time to find a survivor, down/hook and camp them, is still more often than not going to take less time than a sequence of survivors working on a gen, leaving that gen to find out that another survivor is being camped, applying reassurance to that camped survivor, then returning to their gen or finding another gen to work on. This doesn't even consider that the killer may have some form of gen slowdown. If survivors have a perk that allows them to see that a survivor is being camped (i.e. Kindred), this can be manipulated by clever killers standing out of range of the perk. And it doesn't really change the fact that generators still take longer, and can take much longer with stacked slowdown builds; which brings me to my next point.

Camping and tunneling have always been efficient strategies for securing at least one kill. Prior to patch 6.1, what made these decisions risky was the counterplay: survivors could apply pressure by completing generators while a killer camped, usually finishing 2 or 3 by the time the camped survivor died. And because the best gen slowdown perks were active at the start of the match (Corrupt Intervention and Ruin, generally), survivors were more likely to secure a 3-man escape at the end of the trial because when the killer had returned to searching for those who remained, the survivors had likely begun work on the remaining gens. But that is no longer the case; the best gen slowdown/regression perks come into play during mid-game now, and the actual slowdown/regression is more unforgiving than it previously was.

If you mean "What other takes do you feel hurt camping?" thats a kinda weird question. I think there are many base factors in the game that have been there and also others that have been included to weaken camping, tunneling, and slugging alike. They have also only made those strategies situationally worse, but have not brought them down below all of the other strategies that have been minimized by other choices, like CoH's existence: There is an extremely large issue with the game's balance about efficiency caps, and thats a major part of why tunneling and camping will always be a thing. You have no idea what level of player youre going against, or even how coordinated they are, yet they are at their absolute strongest at the time you need to figure that out. Most of the things that gave the killer time to judge those factorss and use less oppressive strategies at the start are at an extremely low point right now, so its basically damage control right from the start. I've been seeing a lot of people "tunnel 2" more often now, where they will juggle two survivors and only go after the other 2 if there is little to no time commitment involved, it honestly seems like the best compromise given the numbers game involved. Basically every change like making Corrupt and Ruin super niche, killing thana because two killers got too much value out of them (and then doing it again with AA like a month later because of nurse) all of those types of things have all done their part to hurt X thing but accidentally impact Y too much indirectly. Its been a growing trend since CoH was introduced and they keep trying to throw numbers adjustments at it instead of actually addressing how much it hurt the core mechanics of the game by existing.

Camping & tunneling didn't start with Circle of Healing or boons. Nor do killers camp because of some fear that if they don't, survivors will receive value from a boon totem. That particular comparison is out of touch. I believe the path of least resistance is the one that players will always walk. If there is an easier way to complete a goal, that is what most players will opt for. I don't believe efficiency caps have anything at all to do with it.