Your game has become nigh unplayable for half of its playerbase.
Hi, testimonials and what all aside, this game has become a miserable slog for survivors in 90% of matches. Even with the rollback of some perks and the addition of buffs and nerfs. It feels even that the numbers reflect the state of this with ever decreasing steam statistics and the bandaid perks we're given to address problems that many don't seem to be problems. You may hit me with 'get good' or bad survivor blah blah blah all you like the fact of the matter is, if the game isn't fun anymore for a great deal of its playerbase then you get the declining numbers month by month.
Every game I have encountered endless camping/tunneling just miserable times playing. If your intention was to make a game you HAVE to be excellent at or don't play, congratulations you've made it unplayable for casual players. Or people who simply do not have the time to invest hours upon hours into the mechanics. (Half of the new killers ignore mechanics anyway, making survivors more and more useless in the fact of these 'tactics.')
If your tactics involve getting it so a player does not get to play the game, then you may want to reinvent the way the game is played. Make some additional tweaks to things. I know it is the nature of a asymmetric pvp based game to us vs. them, to make it so one side is going to have more power in a situation than the other. It just isn't fun right now to play the game as a survivor unless you're at the top of your game. which I admit I am not much of the time. An anger induced long post made shorter: What can be done about the state of things, if people believe there needs to be something done to begin with? I don't pretend to speak for everyone here.
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Where do you get 90%? Majority of players are enjoying the game just fine. The forums represents a tiny portion of players.
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Yeah, I think that it's just out of whack at the moment. At the highest of the high, survivors are still very strong, but to get there requires extreme levels of coordination and skill which the vast majority of players don't have. Meanwhile, even middling killers can perform really well with the ease of camping and tunneling. There's just an imbalance there. People might argue it's balance and fun and fair, but since it was re-enabled I haven't ever had anything but the +100% BP bonus for survivor. Nobody wants to play the role because it's :) not fun :).
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90% of my own matches.
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:) I love the bonuses!! :D
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Camping/tunneling
This is just so fun to hear that every time i see a complain discussion that Just focuses on camping and tunneling
I could only tell you to Get Good that's my one and only Answer to to your topic
If anyone should complain it's the killers not survivor mains
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Sick anecdote. I'm having fun on survivor. Reckon my anecdote cancels yours out.
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Yup.
Never happens.
Nobody wants to play Survivor.
Killers never have the BP bonus ever.
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As I type this there are 42,000 people in game on Steam right now, then there will be tens of thousands in addition on console. Launching the game means people want to play.
Dead by Daylight always has and always will have issues with balance and complaints from the community - it will never stop. It's a 4 v 1 game so it will never feel 'equal' and I'm perfectly okay with that (as are others).
I've been playing since Summer 2017, thousands of hours, and I'm enjoying the game right now. People tend to come to the forums to complain (that's fine, go for it) but it's far less common for people to come into forums to give praise when they're busy enjoying a game. Perhaps even less common, to keep this in mind during discourse.
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Dang got me.
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Good contribution dude.
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I'm almost certain I qualified bits of my post with at least some of that. Buuuuuut I will say that numbers have dropped significantly and continue to, or that seems to be the trend.
Though, if you're having fun playing I'm glad for you. I wish I was.
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I didn't say killer never did, my man. Just that I never do. No need to be so hostile about it. I'd love to play killer without massive queue times personally but it's always the other way around for me. Probably some quirk of the levels of our respective MMRs/time of day.
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@TheProphetsHarbinger Oh I've absolutely taken breaks over the years from this game, when I wasn't having fun or when something else was wrong - I think that's fair. Sorry you aren't having fun (sincerely). BHVR is always updating, and always changing things. The game will never be static. I guess I just don't see much point in all of these posts going 'they really need to change things around here' when it's like... but they are... consistently, always. Dead by Daylight has always been in a state of constant change and adjustment (to the point where I think at times their attempts to appease the mob have actually made things worse).
Your OP said "What can be done about the state of things, if people believe there needs to be something done to begin with?" Sure, fair enough. I just see a lot of people complaining without actually having a clear idea of what would make the (correct / effective) difference for them and their experience.
DbD will never be equal, it's a 4 v 1 game. Even if it were as close to balanced as is possible, people would still complain.
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According to steam charts, the playerbase has been increasing since 6.1.0.
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That is a fair thing to say, "Even if things were balanced, people would complain," but that doesn't mean that all complaints are invalid either, and people have a right to be frustrated with their experience. Just because there will always be imbalance doesn't mean we should just passively accept the state of the game when it is genuinely unfun in certain ways. OP isn't even really saying that survivor needs to be buffed, just made more enjoyable to actually play. Any time someone expresses having a bad time there are 14 people waiting in the wings to tell them they're stupid for complaining at all.
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Speaking Facts
They hurt but they're real
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Another Survivor-Main who cannot press left mouse and tapping spacebar anymore? Wow, this Deadhard-Nerf completely annihilates everything a survivor-player can do, right?
Every day the same complainments, but Hell is open when a killer is complaining... then u hear "get good".
Love it!
NOW FOR REAL: what actually are the changes, that you feel the game is unplayable? Camping? Well, 2 guys go for the unhook and fine it is.
Tunneling? Well, Off the record 80sec Meta-Perk !
When a killer is now complaining, he needs 2 perk slots to achieve nearly the same than before with old pop, no one cares.
Evergreen SoloQ... yes, its harder. Thats always the case. Run Ego-Perks to help yourself, because most teammates are horrendously bad. Deliverance, Distortion, Clairvoyance etc.
I am one of your so called 10% obviously, I love to play survivor (not as much as killer, but killer before patch with old broken Deadharding to waste my time was sometimes terrible) a lot. I can run different builds and win, not only the 4 meta-perks all the time.
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@FeminineSlime I didn't say that all complaints are invalid, in fact I said I've taken multiple breaks because of the complaints I've had. I also didn't say we should just passively accept the state of the game - my point was that complaining without having any suggestions or ideas for resolution is fruitless. I'm not sure if you meant I was telling OP they were stupid (I don't believe I did) but yes, I see complaining without suggestions / requests, to be just as silly as insulting someone for complaining.
If OP was simply asking 'what might be done' then that's fine - I said 'that's fair' twice in my previous reply. I clicked here to respond to "your game has become nigh unplayable" because I am having a different experience. I didn't tell them they were wrong (or stupid).
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Ouchies. The facts hurt me so bad over here.
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Yeah, I broke my mouse and space bar clicking fingers. I just can't do it anymore. I'm getting got left and right in here.
All of your rancidness aside, these perks can be helpful in avoiding these things but more often than not if someone wants you out of a game that's it for you. Also, the fact of the matter it is it just isn't fun. People are feeling miserable about it. There's no excuse for that.
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Its not fun for the killer to see 4 man escaped. Games arent fun everytime, thats normal. Well, if u play RollerCoaster Tycoon you will always have fun, building new, awesome RollerCoaster, creating awesome Landscapes etc.
But in a PvP-Game, someone has to have "no fun", so the "others" have it. You will NEVER have fun every game you play in DBD.
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I made no claims otherwise, I would still say that people deserve to not feel as though they're actually playing the game and not feeling like it's a miserable time to do so. It's ridiculous to claim that's a zero sum game for one side. I have absolutely lost and had a good time playing this game. One side does not need to feel awful for the other side to have a good time.
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Use a medkit That'll Fix the burns
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I put a circle of healing boon down, but thank you for your suggestion.
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Eh don't do that I got Coulrophobia I doubt if you're good at skill checks tho according to your post
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then move on till this game has suited your fun better.
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Oh snap. Thanks for the heads up.
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Great advice, unfortunately I was more looking for something productive or at least some discussion that doesn't end with stop complaining or don't play.
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What discussion about the same complainments every day? We know a lot of people feel that way. Because they lost their precious deadhard and cannot play without it. Thats the truth about 80% of the survivors (excluding me, I love the new deadhard). Dont blame the devs or the game itself for anything like that.
Except Nurse, you can win every game. The main issue is, as always: TEAMMATES, not the devs, not the killers, not the perks... TEAMMATES are the main issue, because most of them just play horrendously bad.
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When the heck did anyone mention dead hard?
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I never said anyone mention it.
You complain about the oldest strategy of the game... camping and tunneling. For that, u received 10secs BASEKIT (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Meta-Perk BT and now Reassurance.
And even with that u lost your fun compared to the time without a BASEKIT-METAPERK?
Of course, if a killers wants to tunnel someone out, he will still manage it. What should the devs do? Giving u immortality for the rest of the game until u touch a gen?
Wow!
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It's only feels awful because many take it personally. Would they complain the same way if it was another horror survival game? Would they feel the same if it was an AI Killer tunneling you out?
I watch Twitch a lot and a lot of Horror Survival games. Phasmophobia being the chief among them. I don't see people getting mad when the Ghost specifically targets them instead of the others on their team. It's only "miserable" because they make it miserable. They take it personally, when it's not personal at all.
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Are you serious bro? Mind blowing comment
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I come to these forums just to read the denials of how bad solo que is right now. I laugh so hard when I someone says “it’s not that bad” or “I win most of my games.” Like anyone believes that
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No one said that either. Really i'm beginning to wonder if its worth making an argument out of this with you, friend. The point being, if one side is massively not having fun with mechanics to the point where they no longer want to play a game, something ought to be done about it.
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Unfortunately I was playing with someone. But I also come here occasionally to read how things are going, I just got very frustrated in a match and made a post.
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What's your win condition?
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What region do you play in? I play NA West and I haven't seen Killer BP since the first day role incentives was re-added (and even that was only for about 2 hours). I also have checked sporadically from times such as 10am-4am on weekends, and 6pm to midnight on weekdays. It might only show up during the day on weekdays, or early morning on any day for my region, but as far as I am aware it never swaps.
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Alot of players on both sides have been leaving the game, I don't think it's all due to the changes though to be fair, I feel like casual survivors are up in arms but other than that the ones that are leaving are maybe just tired of the rinse and repeat style of this game, other games are coming out and alot of people will probably still bounce back and forth between games, this game has been out for going on over half a decade it's bound to gain and lose players along the way because of the way it constantly changes
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Us East. I play early morning on weekdays and prime time on weekends.
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Interesting, thanks for the info. I might try waking up early instead of staying up late and checking queues then.
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I run the demogorgn surge breaker thing and blood echo :D
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If solo queue isn't bad then why is the incentive to play survivor almost always at 100%? Oh right because no one wants to play it. I wonder why no one wants to play it? Not even for double bloodpoints?
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I document each of my matches in an excel spreadsheet. In 5 of my 123 matches as a survivor this season, the killer has camped. In 3 of those 5 matches, at least one survivor escaped. When the killer camps me, it's no fun, that's for sure. But 5 /123 are 4% of the matches. That's not worth mentioning, and most importantly, it's not a problem.
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I'm currently sitting at Iri 1 killer, and the survivors I go up against probably don't share your sentiment regarding game balance. Even had a couple 0ks last night while trying my hardest(one of those 0k games was as nurse). Of course as you said, they've probably devoted long hours to learning all the ins and outs of playing survivor and vsing specific killers.
My question is a simple one, what changes would you propose that would improve your experience without changing the experience of killers who vs high level survivors from "frothy sweatfest" to "actually impossible"?
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It really sucks to get a 0k when you're actually a good killer. Had a few really bad matches in Friday and wanted to uninstall lol it felt impossible to win against these people
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Herein lies the problem with your point. You’ve taken your personal game experience and applied it to every solo survivor.
I’d say this game is in a really great spot at the moment. Survivor is exciting and killer feels appropriately intimidating.
There are threads on the steam charts already, the player base is not in significant decline. Anyone saying that is cherry picking their numbers and not looking at the long term trend.
Now there is nothing wrong with saying “I don’t like the game in its current state” and making suggestions to BHVR, but you gotta also be open to some of the suggestions made by folks that could help you improve and enjoy the game more.
As an average dbd player I still have a pretty good escape rate but that’s due to putting in the effort to improve at playing survivor within the confines of the current game iteration.
It sounds to me like you are struggling to play survivor and it’s up to everyone else to fix that for you because it’s not fun. You’ve taken this a step further saying well if it’s not fun for you it’s must not be fun for anyone so it’s a problem. But that just blatantly untrue.
Don’t confuse your opinion with the factual state of the game over all.
Survivor is the most thrilling it’s been for a long time and I’d say that’s a net positive game wise, given it’s asymmetric survival horror theme.
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