Which killers BHVR should look at next?
After Ghostface and Legion, these are my wishes:
1. Which killers should receive buffs:
- Sadako (no Antiloop, bad Mori-Ability, TV-Cooldown far too big)
- Freddy (worst addons in the game, bad Antiloop, which only works while survs are asleep, Immunity from Alarm-Clocks should get removed, maybe Snares + Pallets Basekit like Clowns Bottles)
- Trapper (Trapper-Sack Basekit, no easy escape from Beartraps... at least u need 3 tries at minimum)
- Twins (already in the making if i remember last Q&A right)
2. Which killers should receive nerfs
- Nurse (dont cares about the rules of the game like Walls, Pallets, Windows... - the best killer in the game)
- Artist (huge Map-Pressure, loops are useless against her)
- Spirit (Addons a bit weaker, especially Mothers Dwelling)
- Blight (Alchemist Ring too powerful)
What are YOUR killers u would like to see changes soon and why.
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freddy
he's the only killer that when I play I actually feel like I have no power
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His power is making survivors kill themselves. I'm just kidding of course, but it feels like whenever I verse a Freddy invariably someone suicides, I don't even understand.
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I don't think Artist is op, even if she can hard counter loops some times. Not sure if she should be flat out nerfed, but some nerf to her anti-loop and buff to her range potential would be nice.
Nurse and Blight definitely need to be looked at. And Spirit has a few crazy addons.
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Myers. Incredibly weak killer at base but is carried by some insane add ons.
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Hag. Has received no attention since 2018
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I think she just has a bad concept. Copying Trapper in better, thats it. Its kinda boring painting some lines on the floor over and over again.
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She is very different from Trapper :) Look up some gameplay
Bad concept is Nurse
Hag needs bug fixes and add-on rework
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I play her. Its all about painting for me. Whatever, its not part of the post :-).
Its not surprisingly for me that Hag is bottom 3-Pick in the game.
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Freddy and Pyramid Head have the worst add-ons ever, so definitely give them an add-on pass. And while you're at it, revert their nerfs. Even if they were broken before, which they weren't, they wouldn't be broken enough in today's meta to keep up with the rest of the top tier killers. Trust me on that.
And lastly the Twins and Ghost Face. Please give them more than 5 usable add-ons. While you're at it, revert their nerfs. Twins have unnecessarily long cooldowns and animations on everything, and Ghost Face is too easy to reveal.
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I really think Freddy should be next for big changes. He is painfully, painfully boring and outdated imo. Especially with all the new "teleport to this thing" killers that are just so much better than him.
IMO Sadako is really close to be good and I don't think she needs big changes. Twins as well, they really don't need big changes to feel way better. Freddy just feels so awful, every part of his kit is just super ineffective compared to almost every other killer, he is so average.
Not even saying freddy is bad or needs huge buffs, he just needs changes.
IMO the only killers that need nerfed are Nurse and Blight.
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If it's not a part of the post, why do you comment?
I'm not objecting your opinion. For me, Freddy is less popular even than Hag and doesn't need any changes
Just because she is not popular doesn't mean she doesn't need to be looked at.
You asked for opinions, you got them
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Im answering because u wrote it. Just want the main theme being main.
Hag/Freddy/Twins are the bottom-3-picks atm.
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Oh my gosh, Myers PLEASE, the man needs something else rather than "slightly faster M1 with insta down"
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Buff doctor because why not?
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That's nurse's job
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By your opinion, not my own
You asked for people to write their opinions, then you object to them and complain that people write back to your objection
God forbid someone mentions Hag on this forum and all hell breaks loose
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no its totally fine. Hag is a killer who needs changes to get more picks, thats obvious :-).
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Twins are still so depressing to play they need some QoL improvements and a add-on pass.
Myers is such an iconic killer but Jesus he's so baaad I just want him to get some love remove both of his busted tombstone add-ons and buff his basekit.
A full add-on pass for Pyramid Head would be good he only has some boring useless add-ons that do nothing the only good add-ons he has are the range ones and MAYBE the durations and even then it's debatable.
Priority should be nerfing Nurse and give the others killers the spotlight for a moment,Nurse has been the strongest killer for 6 years now it's time to remove her from the meta its just so stale always seeing this broken toy, we need more killer variety.
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Ah yes, the add-on Mother’s Dwelling.
Jokes aside, there’s no killers that need nerfs except to their add-ons. Eg, Tombstone Piece, Mother-Daughter Ring, Alchemist Ring, Kavanagh’s Last Breath/Heavy Panting, Torn Bookmark, etc.
Most of the significantly weaker killers could use bits of love here and there or a partial rework/extra effects.
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how come Sadako has bad mori ability?
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besides playing for Condemn with the showcased strategy, its too easy to counter or not even a problem anyway.
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For Spirit, Mother-Daughter Ring needs a nerf and Dried Cherry Blossom needs a full on rework. Yakuyoke Amulet probably could use a few tweaks as well. I’d also like to see a buff to Senko Hanabi and reworks to Juniper Bonsai and Mother’s Glasses as those add ons are too weak.
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Nurse needs to be balanced. As a killer that has little to no counter if you've managed to slap her with a pallet your reward is a swift slap to the ground. You need to be able to stun this monster. How has this been in this game unchecked for so long?
Furthermore look at her recharge to accommodate the overall recovery given to all killers. She needed balance before the buffs now it's just hopeless.
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Of those you listed:
Artist is fine.
Several of blight’s addons are too strong, his basekit is fine.
A few of spirit’s addons are too strong (MDR needs nerf, DCB needs full rework, interaction between duration addons and how they affect recovery needs to be looked at; imo just remove the modifier and cap recovery time at 15s). A couple of her bad addons need buffs too. Her basekit is fine.
Nurse needs baseline changes and a full addon overhaul. Range/recharge are too good and almost everything else is outright terrible and worthless and/or nerfs her power. 3 blink nurse also shouldn’t exist in any capacity.
On the other side, sadako needs some improvements. Ring drawing and iri tape can make her good in the right hands but that’s it and they’re only not busted because her basekit is so bad.
Freddy is in a really sad state and needs more changes. Forever freddy needed to go, but he was overnerfed and now he just kinda sucks.
Trapper prob needs some more improvements as well. He just spends too much time setting up and getting traps from corners of the map.
Myers needs minor improvements to early game/T1, and maybe T3 should be a bit more threatening. T2 is fine as it is. Tombstone piece should be removed outright.
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Why does everyone think twins are utter garbage. I play them and I do fine.
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They’re not, but they don’t feel great to play and are also absolutely miserable to face. They’re just kinda clunky with their long cooldowns and also rely heavily on slugging. A lot of twins players also stay as close to hooks as they can while controlling the other character so overall they just make for a bad experience.
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Freddy, Billy, Deathslinger, Trapper, Myers
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I like the Twins but I've only faced them twice
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I'd say Legion, and I just did... so I will. Again.
Legion.
The lethal portion of their power is incredibly situational, and will not happen in most matches. I would honestly say it has a 1% chance happening. It's a rather "meh" way to give a Killer in desperate need of some lethality any kind of option. It may be better than nothing, but it's ONLY better than nothing. The QoL changes were decent, but they were precisely that. They made Legions current mechanics a bit less messy to use, but they didn't really add anything or change their game-plan/counterplay. Unless Legion is SUPPOSED to be a low tier killer that just stomps on new players, they need something more.
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Freddy. I would like his dream world to do a bit more passively, like slow down survivor actions. Not slow them down as much as before his rework but maybe a 20% penalty.
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I would love for him to get a buff that pushes him into B-tier levels. The question is what can they do without breaking him.
I was thinking maybe introduce a trap ability that would allow him to place two traps at any given time and when a survivor steps on it, it can either summon a lightning bolt that stuns them for X amount of time or can teleport them to the killer.
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Solo q before any killers
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Just buff the weaker killers.
Take your fav tier list, pick all those B-D tier killers and cram them into the S-B tier by buffing the heck out of them.
It'd probably be best to buff some stats of killer abilities ( charge, cooldown, recharge etc) and then remove the addons that only modify those stats.
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Artist is fine. She's a very fair, powerful killer. Same with blight but he has alchemist ring.
Nurse has been nerfed into oblivion. And she's still somehow powerful. It's not fair to the Nurse community to destroy the character. She deserved the nerfs she's gotten, and it's pretty fine now unless you play against the 1% of nurses that are insane.
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i would like iri queen to be basekit tbh.
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Twins and Onryo need some changes
Artist is fine her strengh is her anti loop and her Map Pressure if u would nerf 1 of this Things she would be trash tier
I Never heard some1 complaining about Artist being to strong for alot Players she is 1 of the most balanced
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I think Freddy, Myers, Sadako and Billy.
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Agree with these, maybe let Myers instant mori whoever has had their evil within fully drained.
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buffs:
1 i would also remove her lullaby when not manifested
2 it would be sufficient reverting the nerfs that he got, but keeping the clock mechanic, in that way survivors have more incentives to wake up through clocks (freddy should be extremely dangerous when he can successfully put in the dream world the survivors, but he also should get counterplay). He needs also a full rework of his addons
3 as you said he needs trapper bag as basekit and traps should be more difficult to spot (disarming time is already fine imo), especially now that most of the maps are without grass
4 they need to be reworked completely from the ground
5 i would add also the wraith (survivors cannot burn him anymore when cloacked) to that list and other tweaks on other killers
nerfs:
1 nurse should be completely reworked, but not before relegating SWF to only custom matches...
2 artist isn't strong at all, she's one of the easiest killers to counter (she's problematic only if she successfully zone you in a corner, but at that point is just a bad play rightfully punished)
3 spirit isn't strong at all imo, but i would gladly erase all her strongest addon in change for a better basekit/overall buffs
4 the main issue about blight aren't his addons, but the fact that people can still abuse exploits with him... he's a completely different killer once you'll dispose of those exploits (A LOT more weaker)
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What “exploits” are you talking about on blight?
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sliding on walls, old j flick (despite devs claimed that it was fixed i still have people doing it)
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There is absolutely nothing fun about playing either as or against Legion, especially against. I know it's already been reworked but Legion sucks, a lot, and needs another rework.
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Honestly I would say freddy or my boy Michael, he is literally a remnant of how the game use to be.
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My boy Mikey because I don't think he needs a rework. Just some quality of life changes to his existing power that would put him in a more comfortable spot.
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Sliding on walls isn’t inherently an exploit. Some walls are slippery. Try playing blight and see how many things you literally just cant bounce off of. I suggest ormond and auto haven.
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Freddy buff and Artist nerf
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Nemesus? His addons do nothing and need a complete overhaul.
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Yeah his addons are indeed not really well designed.
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