Bhvr should not be getting rid of strategies.

Not really as some killers are best played by setting up a 3 gen from the start i.e hag so during that match you need to plan and decide where the 3 gen will be, what gens your willing to give up and making sure that you keep the 3 gen till late in the game, which is why some killers will hook someone in the middle of a 3 gen as they are able to cover 3 objectives at once. So they are far from exploits and some take some real planning to pull off and are needed in some case.

Are you telling me if you played killer and downed a survivor under a pallet and you saw someone with a flashlight you would pick them up or would you chase the other survivors, yes face camping at 5 gens sucks but sometimes killers need to proxy camp if they know survivors are near the hook and most times survivors are tunneled is due to your teammates unhooking you before the killer even leaves the hook.

This change to UB basekit is not the way to go it just the devs being lazy if anything they should off let you bleed out faster if you wanted to or heal yourself faster when downed but you still need a 2nd survivor to pick you up.

A perk that always could give value against the majority of Killers? Being used because you could guarantee you would get perk value, but also practically being necessary to play against Blights and Nurses? Why I never.

Remember Borrowed Time? Now the only people who bring that are people trying to rescue people who get hooked super far from gates at endgame. That is a more accurate comparison since that is a basekit granted effect from a perk. Similarly Unbreakable will be in that same boat of the majority of people not bringing it due to it being partially basekit now.

Plus don't forget the easiest way to counter any form of Survivor pickups is the Killer picking them up themself.

Not to be an #########, but slugging is a last-resort type of strategy - that most of the time, a player will resort to because every other thing that they were meant to do in trial, they failed.

Whether it be map pressure, gen pressure, or successful chases. In the same vein that Hatch was a 'last resort', that skipped out a portion of game-play for killers by prematurely finishing the game for the killer, slugging is the same. Killers don't need to be getting clean 4Ks, especially in a 2k, two more to go situation. If one person gets out, and it's via hatch, that doesn't affect you, as the killer negatively in anyway as it counts as a draw. The only loser in that situation is the survivor because they lost out on a win.

you see, as a killer main i'm not mad because they are essencially erasing slugging as a strategy (after all it's effectively boring as survivor being on the ground for 5 minutes without doing nothing, for that reason that mechanic could be deleted), i'm mad because they are punishing it, giving nothing in return to killers to compensate the loss of another tactic... what people fail to understand is that slugging most of the times is a necessary evil, required to get more time because normally YOU DON'T HAVE THE TIME for doing normal chases due to various factors (mainly the maps that now are actually awful to play as killer). i think that if this patch will be released, i'll probably took a loooong break from the game (or at least until the devs will gave to killers compensations for what they lost)

We know they won't give killers anything the way they are going they will make DS basekit for survivors, with the BT basekit and now UB each survivor is pretty much using 6 perks now not 4, i'm surprised with how many people can't see making UB base kit is a bad idea if there were more conditions to using it as basekit then that wouldn't be to bad but the way it is now is pretty ######### and to be honest the devs on one hand is holding survivors even more now and the other hand giving the finger to killers.

for your logic then genrushing should be forbidden, boyblock and sabotaging hooks should be forbidden because they are unfun to go against. please try to be objective, despite i'm the first to say that slugging is boring (especally as survivor), that strategy was one of the few ways that killers have to keep up the pace with the survivors doing their objective... with that strategy gone WITHOUT compensations, camping and tunneling will be even more common now... this is one of the worst updates ever done if it will goes live

Being slugged is not the survivor failing. They fail when they die because their objective is to escape. Killers that tend to resort to slugging are failing because they are not getting rid of players, they are still keeping them in the game, at times, keeping them hostage.

slugging is a crutch for killers when they can’t keep up with the survivors, the same way that DH was, the same way that a 4-man hatch escape was.

the changes punish being too greedy as your main objective is hooks/kills.

Compromise:

Since we're posting personal stats to boost the credibility of our statements :

Around 7000 hours in DBD at this point - I want all the "strategies" to be dealt with so the game can finally get balanced around interactive gameplay (aka legit chases).

If the devs finally got rid of slugging, tunneling and camping they could finally get data on "fair" gameplay.

Soon they would realize "high level survivors" will typically allow a good killer on average to get 5-ish hooks before they escape if said killer plays completely fair and relatively good.

As a result they could finally balance around fair gameplay and possibly even add a little additional objective.

Boredom.

This concept is very interesting.

For a survivor, time spent not actively participating in the game is boring. Yes, that's right.

So what about the killer? There is never a dull moment for a killer, and while a player who face camps on Buba at any given moment may be bored, there is almost always a lot to think about and do when you are a killer in the game of DbD. There is no time for boredom.

Slugging disappears due to survivor boredom. What happens to the killer after the slugging is gone? More sweaty busy time begins. There is no boredom in killer.

Will the frustration of being busy be ignored over the frustration of being bored?

The survivor failed in the chase causing them to be downed, survivors ready to try for the save and you down them failed at getting the save there is many ways a killer or survivor can fail in the match not just the basic kill or escape.

Killers slug for pressure and the fact that sometimes you can steamroll if the survivors are hanging around for the save and you can 1 shot them i.e Myers tier 3, why would a killer pick up the first one when they can down the survivors close by ready to try and get the save and ending up with 2-3 on the ground because of the choice the survivors made to hang around for the save.

Slugging is far from a crutch as there is times when you need to slug, forced to slug i.e survivor goes to a dead zone and with boil over they know you won't be able to hook them the counter to that is to slug them and let them bleed out.

The changes do nothing more then making it more easy for survivors and forcing killers into a lose/lose spot, how would survivors act if they made PGtW base kit to help putting pressure on gens and to stay away from the hook?

Sabotaging and bodyblocking are in my opinion not even unfun to go against. The last time someone successfully sabo'd a hook against me was when a whole squad did it, which happens like once a year. At this point we're also not talking about just sabotaging hooks, we're talking about how many similar items survivors can bring into a match and SWF. Same applies to bodyblocking. Only SWF pull it off consistently and even then, the majority of the time someone else goes down.

As for genrushing, yes that should be addressed.

However, none of these things are counterarguments as to why slugging, camping and tunneling shouldn't be taken care of. It's just whataboutism.

Where in the patch notes did they announce that compensation won't come if deemed necessary?

A strategy is literally, from the definition

In this case the long-term aim is to win, creating pressure by slugging to force other survivors to act to help their teammate out. And with the proposed base kit Unbreakable this strategy goes out the window.

As has been discussed already in other topics, being downed under a pallet will be a lose-lose against organized survivors. But another area where it will introduce a problem is in the cases where a "comp corner" exists, an area of the map created by the lack of hook spawns thanks to bad logic in the map setup, this leads to an area where good survivors will run to, as they already do to force the killer to slug instead of hook, where the killer will be put in an even worse spot. The killer cannot create pressure by leaving the survivor, but but the killer cannot hook the survivor either, i.e., a lose-lose situation is created for the killer where there is no counterplay.

Sounds about right.