Sweaty teams and generator speeds

In reality, the loop starts again, if you are in a very good team (SWF), yes, inevitably, you will have very hard time as a Killer, but all the solo Qs or those who are just there in "I have a little time to play, I'm going to have fun with my friends "... They will increasingly flee the game

Even if... With the last survivor perks of RE and what will happen for the anti slugging, we can imagine that some will come back

In reality, the loop starts again, if you are in a very good team (SWF), yes, inevitably, you will have a very hard time as a Killer, but all the solo Qs or those who are just there in "I have a little time to play, I'm going to have fun with my friends "... They will increasingly flee the game

Even if... With the last survivor perks of RE and what will happen for the anti slugging, we can imagine that some will come back

I have multiple issues with gen speed at the moment. A few reasons why:

1.) Gen times are wildly inconsistent. I understand having things to make a gen go faster, especially if there is a cost or it requires multiple people, but the difference between sped-up times and normal times makes them impossible to predict. You go into one game and 3 gens fly in the first 2 or so minutes. Then you go into another game, and it takes them 4 minutes to complete 2 gens. On the killer side, it can make the speed of the game feel wildly out of your control, left largely up to what the survivors decide to bring. It would be nice if numbers across the board on gen speed increases and gen regressions were toned down to be more consistent.

2.) Prove Thyself & Stake Out / Hyperfocus. I have no issue with these perks being in the game, but I feel that the increases to speed are too large. Maybe others disagree, but these perks have made a significant difference on how fast gens fly, even without toolboxes. Worse, you the killer have no clue that they have these perks until it is too late. Again, maybe just tone these perks down a bit, especially with stake out almost nullifying the risk of hyperfocus.

3.) Regression perks aren't nearly as easy, reliable, or effective as gen speed increases. Toolboxes only require you to bring them. Prove Thyself only requires another teammate. Hyperfocus is made much easier to use with stake out. Meanwhile, every regression perk either requires you to hook someone, kick a generator (which most killers still don't have the time for), or they get disabled automatically. Overcharge and CoB's regression can still be nullified by touching the gen, which I've seen done even mid-chase. Pop is still decent, but it doesn't do as much as it used to for the same time cost of hooking and kicking. Ruin is so useless it gets beat out by Deadlock. Pain res is still decent, but you have to hook someone, hope you have a scourge hook nearby in a decent place, and even then, you don't know which gen was hit.

A lot of people will probably call me entitled, but these are the issues as I see them. Yes, I am grateful that DH was nerfed into the ground. Yes, I am happy for the basekit changes overall. No, I don't think they solved everything, especially with the changes to gen regression perks and the introduction of hyperfocus / stake out.

Some say the increased usage of Prove skyrocketed because it's the only survivor perk still giving BP faster.

But I think it's because Gen times were increased and chase (as well as camping) was made easier for killer.

The only thing hyper focus really needs is that it doesn't work with toolboxes and it isn't additive with Stake Out. Like Autodidact and medkits.

I wish more took this to heart. They absolutely look at all skill levels when considering changes, with empathesis on not wanting to squelch the newbies or casuals that indeed are the majority of players.

All of you who have gotten very very good at this game in either role, which seems to be most of y'all around the forum's, always feel the changes the harshest.

The quests for efficiency synergy, and advantage may have sucked too much of the fun this game can be my friends.

They are playing the regression perks because the Devs nerfed Gen Slowdowns...so with the current Gen Speed Meta that's the only defense against it.

I've been watching PT become more and more used over the last year, even a little more. I was pointing out how disgusting it could be when Trickster came out. I was surprised when 40 perks to be reworked turned into 39 perks to be reworked and PT was nowhere to be seen. I've been of the opinion that it should be the equal of Thana, but with how Thana works now, that would essentially kill PT if the same kind of numbers were applied. I'm not for killing it off. But 15% PER every survivor that joins the PT user is just overkill. At least with Hyperfocus, the huge benefits to get from it require either skill or dedicated builds. PT is like Self Care, just slap it on and away you go. Plus I feel like those that cheat also use PT in the same way they use Self Care, as in they equip it to try and cover their tracks.

There's enough gen repair boost perks and enough gen regression perks. Please... no more. Stop before Boon: Gen Go BRRRRRRRR or Scourge Hook: Poppression comes to be. Literally do not need anymore of those two categories for a long, long time.

I'd say that the perk synergy and using a combination of items and perks to achieve a faster gen time is a double edge blade for survivors since they need to take up perk slots and an item slot to just speed up what could be a max of 3 gens start game ( assuming you find a chase a survivor during the time ), by doing this they can limit themselves to being in a 3 gen or even just remove their ability to win chases or heal depending on what they take with what they have left over. This still doesn't make it all that easy for the killer but if you throw out the survivor rule book for killers and just try to 1 hook or tunnel someone to increase pressure and take the game back that could help stop these situations from resulting in a loss ( 1 or less survivors killed at end match ), this is also assuming you aren't facing a sweat lord swf who play way too much and abuse the game itself to their favor. Overall I think that gen times can be helped by just reducing the effectiveness of the gen speed perks ( down to the levels that most killer perks are balanced to being at ) and also making better perk synergy for killer perks aswell ( eruption with oppression as an example )

I absolutely agree with pretty much all of this, including how its misguided to assume the devs are x mains in people's arguments. My only issue with how they balance it is that they are oblivious to the impact of a lot of the changes they introduce, the kind of stuff that any playtester worth their salt will generally point out in alpha testing before even getting to further details. There could very well be people who raise these concerns internally and get shut down, then end up both validated and ignored when the problems they warn about happen. Its not fair to blame anyone on the team and assume the worst, when they're just doing their job and following orders at the end of the day.

If you want to blame anyone, it unfortunately falls to the top, which is why they're in the positions they're in. They have to make tough decisions based on the information provided, and it can be unknown why they might reach the decisions they do without having all of the data and perspective they do. Even then you can absolutely disagree with what they decide or why they decide it, but its essentially impossible to determine their intentions.

My experience has been the opposite I almost never get chill killer games anymore, and most of the survivor games are tough as well, either because of my solo teammates of my amateur SWF. Those bp incentives seem random to me, because killer has historically always been in demand, and at times I've seen killer get a 25% or 50% bp incentive. On the survivor side though, I notice that it's always my teammates that cause me grief, and almost never the killer. Survivor should be easy but it just isn't, despite the difficult nature of killer barely changing even with the last few patches. Your teammates make it so difficult, running 1 or no meta perks, can't take the killer on a chase longer than 20 seconds, won't do gens, hide, don't body block. I get these types of teammates even while being matched with a killer that's actually trying. They're the real killer, and until we change the MMR system, this is how it's gonna be.

just use overcharge +cob. Much more broken but way more boring