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Why can I win cheap games as killer?
First of all, ever since I installed the game, I've been playing survivor with at most 4 killer games in my whole dbd career. As survivor I've seen bad killers get away with 3k or even 4k and it has always felt unfair.
Yesterday I bought the Artist and today I tried her out. I only had 1 perk slot available on my first game and somehow I got 3k. Maybe I'm playing a strong killer? I just like that her ability let's me detect survivors since atm I don't have any aura reading skills unlocked. One of them was a prestige 7 Leon (but it is Leon after all and we know what Leon does). Afterwards I got only 1k and could have possibly gotten two or more in endgame if I had realized my hook was gone from my kill. And then I got another game with a relatively more co-ordinated team maybe they were 3 man sfw, idk. I just got into the lobby while all three of them were on. And I got some hooks on them. I played bad and I was pretty laggy,I'd get stuck on walls or rocks and stuff. And I feel if I was less laggy I could have done better and maybe got away with a kill or two.
And the last game I played, also really laggy. I got a hook before the end of the last gen pops, so I decide to camp and I have NOED to see how well it delivers. Needless to say I got away with 3k because people were trying to rescue the hooked person.
So I'm asking you, why can I get away with this having played only 4 games of killer this season?
And as a survivor I have to try a lot harder? Obviously I'm much better at survivor than at killer.
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The skill floor for killer is indeed lower, and survivor is an immediate meat grinder.
However, your killer games will start to get tougher. Killer variety is pretty poor at the high levels for a reason
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I mean, SBMM/MMR for a start. You said it yourself, you've only played 4 games as Killer and have just bought Artist. You're playing against weak survivors and are doing okay. You're not exactly wiping the floor with them by the sounds of it.
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If you don't play a killer much, it's gonna have you at low MMR with them by default. This should be common knowledge, but it isn't. That's why survivor mains can jump on Freddy for 2 games, get 2 4ks, and claim that the killer is "fine."
That's what I'm saying. People say X killer is fine, but then they never see them at the top, and when they do, that killer loses by a landslide.
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If you play a ton of surv and just start out at killer, you're:
- Starting with a lot more developed general game sense than most beginner killers
- Starting at bottom of the barrel MMR against actual baby potatoes
This is why survs really trying out killer for the first time aren't really getting a meaningful picture of anything; you'll need at least a few hundred hours to advance to a place where you're getting a good picture of the general killer experience.
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What exactly is your question here? Is it how you can perform this well with a lack in experience and perks? If so there are several possible answers:
As you mentioned Artist is indeed a strong a killer so you have the power to back up a lot of plays that would be risky or sometimes impossible on other killers. I'm gonna assume that since you haven't played a whole lot of killer you should also be in the middle bracket of MMR which means that the survivors you go against often don't have too much experience themselves or just aren't very good at the game. With the use of NOED you also secure kills against people that are caught off guard.
As we know very little about the games you played I can only guess that the survivors did some mistakes as well. Sometimes 1 mistake is all it takes to completely turn around a game of DBD.
Also you could have had luck on your side. Getting a good map, conveniently being at the right place at the right time, getting a lucky guess on a survivors moves. Things like these can influence the game significantly.
It could also be you're just talented as a killer or make the right decisions because you already have a lot of experience with the game as a survivor and know how survivors and other killers play.
It is however likely you will soon get better survivors and won't be performing that well anymore if you don't get better at playing killer yourself.
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I did get that kind of team on my 3rd game, that's why I'm confused. It simply feels very chaotic.
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It's well documented that the game is killer sided at low mmr. Survivors are far less gen focused and don't run tiles very well, if they know how to run tiles at all. You need to play much more killer than four games before you're getting a solid picture of killer gameplay and how difficult it is on average. Right now you have beginner killer MMR and presumably higher survivor MMR on account of playing it often, so of course you're trying harder as one role than the other.
It doesn't sound like you're performing that well, and the NOED play was 100% the survivors' fault unless you hooked someone next to NOED (and even then, it was their choice to try and rescue rather than leave.) NOED reveals itself and it's easier to cleanse than it's ever been. When it gets more than one kill in a 4-man-endgame situation, it's much more due to survivors fumbling the ball or being greedy than it is the killer's move.
Keep at it, get to better teams, and you'll see that killer requires more focus than survivor does.
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Low mmr = killer sided.
keep going and eventually you’ll start getting stomped. Then you have to decide whether to quit killer like most, or learn and get better.
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Like previously mentioned, Starting a new killer puts you against relatively new players.
Not saying Artist is bad, she is definitely up there top 5 maybe but it won't be that easy as you play more.
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Thank you someone who actually gets that even with all the buffs Killer got that it's not always "Auto Win" for Killers above a certain MMR bracket
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Over alturistic dummies in the 3rd scenario
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That can probably be explained by the nature of SBMM in DBD. The system tracks your performance and assigns you an invisible number that goes up or down depending on if you win a match. Matchmaking should then look for players that have a number very close to yours. However, in order to shorten queue times BHVR actually decided to modify the system by adding what I call MMR brackets. There are basically 3 brackets in which players are divided. The low bracket is for players with a MMR below the starting point from the minimum up to a number I can't remember. The middle bracket is the one in which you should be right now. And then there is the high bracket with a pretty low soft cap in which probably a majority of the more experienced player base is in. The reason your matches can and will be chaotic is because your actual MMR number doesn't matter so much as the bracket you're in. Let's say you are in the middle of the middle bracket. That means you can get matched with all players in that bracket including the ones at the absolute bottom and the absolute top.
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You dont have an overall MMR. On a new killer you start at lets say for example 1000 mmr and are matched with people with around the same.
And the game without a doubt favours killer at that level.
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IMHO the issues is twofold:
- No real chance to actually learn. The best you can do right now is try to play both sides evenly, and do a lot of guesswork as to why something worked or not. There's certainly no real helpful tips or tutorials in the game (not sarcasm. the tutorial is fine, but so dreadfully limited)
- this leads to issue two: lots of people (on both sides) only play for the 4k/gate escape, regardless which side they are on. The game 'rewards' sacrifices on killer side, highest is 11-12 hooks individually. How you got these hooks doesn't matter, so there's camping and tunneling galore, slugging if people aren't even aware that you get merciless only with 11-12 hooks. and on surv side there's genrushing because... only gens and the gate (and maybe unhooks) matter, leading to survs being picked off by discordance, not healing when thana is in play, popping gens against pig when someone has a hat etc, leaving others on hook because the gen is priority. and IF they unhook, they'll do so unsafely. Oh, and people either not knowing what a boontotem is OR running ALL the way to it to heal and leading the killer there.
I don't fully blame people, cause as said, there's no way of learning, but it's still grating. and the 'ever same' playstyle makes picking out survs easy
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So you played at low killer MMR, most likely against low MMR survivors, and in 4 games you got less than 50% kills overall.
What exactly surprises you?
Yeah, it's true that starting out as killer is easier but that won't last for very long.
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If you've ever played a video game, killer is pretty straight forward. Chase and hit. You have strategy decisions to make, but if you're familiar with video games, or DBD already, that shouldn't be too difficult.
On the survivor side it is much more of a unique gameplay. Additionally the strategic decisions you make have to be done without all the info available to the killer, so learning map layouts and remembering where certain things are is important. On top of that, you have to hope that 3 other human beings are into the game (ie goofing off, distracted by something in their house, falling asleep, internet problems) or else it is going to quickly become extremely unbalanced.
At the lower MMR for killers the chance of hitting teams that have at least one player who for whatever reason is a hindrance on the team is pretty high. My thoughts on my first few hours were here. Killer gets harder, but still generally feel like I have a healthy advantage
A big thing, far bigger than MMR from my personal experience, is time of day you play. Playing in the evening radically increases the chance of hitting organizing and focused teams.
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- It appears that there is some sort of MMR decay. I'm 90% sure, because I took a few months off (was facing quite challenging opponents), then I came back and melted faces for about 10 matches.
- Sometimes you'll get easy matches as survivor. Sometimes you'll get easy matches as killer. Both roles can be demanding in their own way.
- Survivor is a team role. If you choose to do this role without the ability to coordinate (ie. not an SWF) you will have a sub-optimal experience. Unfortunately, it's impossible to balance survivors around both solo and SWF.
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Your opinion will change, I use to be a killer main at game release as time went on iv gone more survivor and since SBMM I'm pretty much a survivor main.
Sure I play killer and I can play them very well but the stress and constant sweat I have to do and hope I dont have a bad map, RNG or just hope the survivors arent all at my level let alone with good items...
Eh, survivor you can chill and still win even with a bad teammate as long as you are good and you have another decent teammate.
You're new though so survivor will be tougher, game goes from killer sided at low mmr to survivor sided at high mmr. Honestly I just wish my games lasted longer as killer, cant do much in 5oddmin games
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