Bullying, Taunting or Just Clean Fun?

I very rarely (not never, I am a flawed human) do anything that is considered "taunting" unless it's giving back, or I am really trying to draw aggro from a tunneller/camper, or if a surv (or survs) were super BM-y.

But one thing I really go to great pains to always avoid is carrying ill feeling from one match the next. On the rare occasion a match gets me super tilted, I'll take a minute or two to decompress.

Of course, if I am in a head state where I am getting easily tilted, I'll usually just stop playing.

As for the topic in general, intent will always take a back seat to inference, whether we like it or not. Especially in a game where they ways we have to express ourselves to reach other can be so ambiguous. There have been times where I nodded to recognize a good play (or after ending a really good chase), but then realized that almost assuredly the person on the other end interpreted it another way entirely.

Is one of us wrong and the other right in these situations? No, not really. Much like real life, there is nuance to these things to be considered. So I usually just try to be as non-demonstrative as I can be.

I'll definitely torch blind, but i never get toxic about it. Playing to the best of your ability is not disrespectful. If i get beasted by a swf team I'll always show respect unless they tbag and torch click. Which they do an awful lot unfortunately.

We're a rare breed lol, and yh trying to bait killer to chase you with those is perfectly reasonable. I actually really enjoy letting last surv go, like carrying them to hatch or letting them open exit gate and nodding lol

Nah. It's just a rationalization mean people in general use so their actions seem less reprehensible, so the society accepts them (actions) and they can feel good about themselves without the need to change their behavior.

Bonus points for making the victim actually feel bad for "taking things out of proportion"

Nevertheless, these online bullying actions are similar to a tiny chihuahua barking to the top of its lungs. Annoying and offensive, but ultimately harmless and projects no power from them over you. A person with a reasonably healthy physche should be able to shrug off this or even have fun at their expense.

Not to say that this isn't a problem.

somewhat frail individuals might suffer from this, and for them to have to "endure" it or abandon an activity they probably take refuge on to begin with is unreasonable and discriminatory.

I mean it can't hurt to be reminded that this is a game every now and again but teabagging in the gates is not really what I consider doing that. I mostly start nodding when they teabag me because it makes the situation a bit silly and often makes survivors be a bit more friendly. Also I know it sounds stupid but for your own sake, don't go anywhere near the exit gates after they got opened. You don't need to torture yourself by letting them show you how much they "dominated".

If thats what it is for you, thats fine. For some however it is a competitive game and for others its just casual fun. You cant really judge how someone interperets the way the game is meant to be played.

I can if that interpretation leads directly to the toxicity in the community and makes enjoyment of the game difficult or impossible. Where do you think it comes from? All you ever hear when one of these joystick jockeys tries to defend their behavior is, "oH, yOu NeVeR wOuLd HaVe LaStEd In ThE mOdErN wArFaRe LoBbiEs." As if that makes it okay to continue that behavior elsewhere. They made their way over here to spread their obnoxiousness, with their ooh-rah of "get gud."

Also, allow me to give you a little perspective. You know what you won't find anywhere in Dead by Daylight? Leaderboards. No updates displaying the Best Killer Main and Survivor Main of the week on our main menu screens. No list of the Top Ten Highest-Scoring Swfs. You know why?

Because: It's. Not. A. Competition.

If it wasnt competitive you would be playing against bots not people, and there is even a non cpetitve mode where you can play with your friends custom games. Not everyone who plays the game in a competitive manner is a toxic dirtbag either.

It's a party game for the enjoyment of all without competition. You wouldn't go to a dinner party plotting to decimate all the guests at charades and brag loudly about it for the rest of the night. You wouldn't show up for Thanksgiving intending to body the entire family at UNO while shaming your cousins for how they played their cards. Unfortunately, some people do. Society generally regards them as blue ribbon a-holes, and they never get invited to any parties for the rest of their miserable lives. Ultimately, the object of those games is to HAVE FUN and not worry about who wins and who loses. Same thing here.

That's Tom Sizemore you're thinking about. Michael Madsen wasn't in Natural Born Killers. 😉

best to ignore him

hes stroking his #### off because he escaped 1 match where his teammates all died.

Tell him, "good luck with your next games" to remind him his whole team just got obliterated.

I've only ever t-bagged maybe once or twice, but only if it was warranted where the killer was BMing hard. Like, I ended up getting tunneled in a match playing with a couple of friends, camped and hit on hook repeatedly until everyone came through to save me at the end. It was a sweet vengeance moment where I'll be a shitter because they were being a shitter.

Otherwise, if the killer and the match was an overall vibe, I'll wait at the exit gate, but I won't t-bag just because I can get out. I'll just stand and let the killer get a last hit in if there's enough time with the EGC, and nobody to body block for.

Watch and learn.

ah, ok. here I am being all artsy-fartsy, trendy and referential. they both look the same and play essentially the same characters though...so, there is that.

anyways...at about 11:40 in this video, a "toxic" nea was all clicky-clicky and antagonistic the whole game, my initial plan was to foist her mental bedlam back into her tenfold but then I realized I didn't want to punish the next 6 lobbies while still staying mad. she seemed to struggle more with my decision than I did.

https://youtu.be/ew6_iksRE8o

I disagree. People shouldn't be douchebags to each-other just for fun, toxicity is definitely bad but you're still using reductionism to disqualify DBD from being amongst the games people compete in. It doesn't matter if there's leaderboards, with BHVR's track record of taking long to implement things one can easily argue that this isn't by intentional design... Plus even if it was it still doesn't change the fact that DBD is a PvP game and ALL PvP games are inherently competitive

Competition =/= Toxicity

It CAN get toxic but that doesn't mean competition overall is bad. Without the population of players and content creators 'competing' in DBD the game would be dead and this forum post would be moot because nobody would be here to read it. Mostly everything in life is competitive, DBD isn't different. The Devs themselves encourage it too as they're promoting an upcoming tournament on their Twitter

Okay, well, maybe it would help if you could answer this for me: what exactly are the players competing for? What reward does the game offer the participants that is of such value, that it requires a competitive mindset? As I mentioned elsewhere, the game does not make use of leaderboards, so it doesn't celebrate achievements of great measurement or quantity. On top of that, the game also does not officially declare anyone winners or losers. If you're a survivor, you either die, are sacrificed, or escape. If you're a killer, the potential outcomes are brutal killer, merciless killer, or entity displeased. Everyone is given a certain amount of bloodpoints based on their performance, and yes, those who are knocked out of the game will receive less. On the other hand, you know as well as I do that it is entirely possible for the killer to murder or sacrifice all four survivors, or for all four survivors to successfully escape the killer, and yet each player ends up earning a reasonably equal amount of bloodpoints, provided they satisfied certain conditions of their respective four categories. And last but not least, the bloodpoints are nothing more than common in-game currency. If you get knocked out early from one match and end up with a smaller amount, there's always the chance to earn more in the next match.

So...if the game does not recognize any kind of extraordinary achievements...if it doesn't declare winners or losers...and everyone is rewarded with identical currency...then what is it about this game that engenders a competitive nature of such intensity that it invites unparalleled hostility between the participants?

See the whole thing puts me in mind of young children playing in the back yard with Nerf guns and water guns to play in some fashion of pretend war. They divide into sides with an unspoken understanding that, depending on what might strike them and where, some of them will end up "dead." Naturally, every team invariably has that one kid that will argue about whether or not they actually took a hit, but generally speaking children will participate in this kind of play without worrying about any sense of "winning or losing." They play. They fire their weapons. They take hits. They enact some hysterical pantomime of death. They have FUN. 🤷‍♂️

Same here, fellas.

I embraced the chaos. I even bm myself when I feel like it. I just care about myself which is the best thing to do in community like this.

There is no point in being "nice" during a match. I just don't resort to messaging people outside of the game. I just play the game however I want now and couldn't care less about anything.

Why should I? And of course I am fine with others doing what they want before you ask.