Gen rushing = Camping/tunneling
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Agreed - in particular the mechanics of some killer's powers mean that slugging in particular is the only viable option. Take Twins for example - they literally cannot pick up without slugging unless they never use their power, in which case an already weak killer is just useless. Oni & Sadako also have compelling reasons to slug to retain/spread their power. Tunnelling has become a requirement for low-mobility killers with the advent of CoH, which completely killed the Hit & Run playstyle in particular for the territorial killers like Trapper and Hag.
There are many more examples but just to help clarify that the statement by @HeyItsQuiet that "Facecamping, slugging, or tunneling someone out is a conscious decision made by killers who lack the skill to control a match or focus on more than one person at a time." is just not accurate.
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I dont know if I have just become worse at the game or what.
They added time to complete gens, but even with slowdown lately gens absolutely FLY in my games. I literally cant keep up.
I dont have time to snuff out the same boon 10x ( COH needs further reworking, its still way too strong ) kick a gen, rotate the people I hit now because of basekit BT.
Theyve made the best perks basekit, so people can bring gen destruction builds and still have the basekit.
I really do think corrupt intervention is going to need to be basekit.
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Literally day 1 of the PTB, I saw youtubers getting their SWF friends to create bully builds. They were all laughing and having such a great time making it so the killer couldnt hook anyone.
2 people would sabo, theyd all use unbreakable, 1 person is hiding slamming out gens with BTL, hyperfocus, stakeout, this cant be happening ( injured ) and a toolbox. The other 3 bully the killer.
Meanwhile what used to be an entire build, is now basekit.
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But the killer doesn't, or shouldn't, get mad at the survivors for doing 3 gens in the first chase. Survivors, however, will get mad at the killer for camping or tunneling at 5 gens, even though that's something they can actually punish. It's double standards and then some.
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It's nowhere near guaranteed. 3 or even 2 survivors is still very much a threat, because they still have the opportunity to go on really long chases, be efficient on gens, and escape. You can play for 12 hooks, as I do on accident, but it is THE way to lose as killer.
We need to get rid of this stigma that killers who camp and tunnel can't loop. They can, otherwise how would the survivor be on hook to even be camped or tunneled? There's a few exceptions like Leatherface, because he has to do so little compared to what M1 killers have to just to hook and camp someone. But in the vast majority of cases, the killers who camp and tunnel have come to use those strategies through the realization that their chase game, as good as it may be, just isn't enough.
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Tell em.
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100% agree.
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If you sabotage my hook, I camp/tunnel.
If you body block while I'm hooking someone else, I'm going to hit you.....then camp/tunnel
If you Flashlight or Flashbang me....im going to camp/tunnel.
If you taunt me, tea bagging behind pallets, or standing and waving at me in the open.....im going to camp/tunnel.
If you do gens, get in chases(win or lose) and generally play casually....Ill play pretty casually and am happy with whatever comes of it.
If someone D/Cs and it wasn't due to my hooking them, One survivor gets a free pass at the end(unless one of my first 4 lines has occurred)
I camp and tunnel to remove someone from the game that is giving the survivors an advantage. I don't want a flashlight on their team because it can cause me to lose a hook. I don't want people willing to body block for the same reason. Usually someone taunting is pretty good at chases and I don't want to chase them a second time(and face camping is the only way I can taunt them back)
If you're a survivor and don't like it, too bad. I'm a killer.
I prefer people play aggressive though so I can feel good about doing the same.
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Killers camp and tunnel because every game "going in their favor" can very QUICKLY turn around into not going in their favor anymore.
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This likely won't happen until the devs add a second objective alongside generators (I.E. Leaving the generator to find a part). If the devs do add a second objective, we will need to force killers to spread hooks around since we are forcing survivors to leave generators to find parts.
TL;DR — It's difficult to please both sides without completely changing core game mechanics.
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I agree and I think they should change core game mechanics to something that's more fun for everyone involved. It's just silly and hypocritical that survivors expect the killer to play really inefficiently while they don't and slam out gens, and then shame the killer for not doing so.
We can't change the game (directly at least), but we can change our attitudes and the way we play. If survivors want the killer to play inefficiently, they need to do the same. If they would direct their energy at trying to get the core game changed instead of yelling at killers for just trying to win, maybe we could get BHVR to change something.
Post edited by MrPenguin on0 -
Not trying to disprove your point but how many times do you actually get those games?
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It's incredibly accurate, considering I can consistently achieve 3-4k without slugging or tunneling, and that's saying something because I often feel like I'm terrible as killer. I don't need to ruin the gameplay of 4 other people just to win a non-ranked, noncompetitive match. There are a plethora of killer perks and playstyles that allow them to be successful without targeting one person at a time, or putting everyone on the ground. Not to mention, you earn way fewer points by slugging everyone and not engaging in chase, and you lose gens FAST if deciding to tunnel out one by one.
I also personally don't think downing someone with Victor then picking up as Charlotte constitutes slugging; not if they're immediately heading for the downed survivor after the character switch. Running around as yeetus fetus and leaving everyone on the ground one by one without picking up, however, would be.
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So you're saying "It's accurate because that's how I play." Well that explains a lot.
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No, I'm saying it's accurate because tunneling and slugging are not required to be successful as a killer in the game. If you absolutely HAVE to slug and tunnel out to secure a kill, then it 100% means you're bad. You didn't patrol and control gens, you didn't have a good grip of the map, and you don't have the attention span or skill to focus on more than one survivor at a time. At no point, with any killer, on any map, are those "strats" REQUIRED for a win.
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Dude, again all that is solely your opinion. Watch tournaments - show me one tournament where the winner never slugged or tunnelled. I would honestly love to see that evidence but from all my looking I can't find one instance, which rather disproves your absolute assertion that if you tunnel or slug "then it 100% means you're bad".
But if you've got the evidence I would honestly love to see it, please share!
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What else are the survivors going to do, sit and wait for you to setup? Also you are playing a D tier killer who requires setup time, without a perk like corrupt on a big map this is just going to happen.
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Gen rushing is real (specific)...
It's a choice the Killer makes (if they want to continue chasing -to maybe get that hook- or go to a Gen)
Both choices are bad....
1- Continue chasing... yes 2-3 Gens get done
2- Go to a Gen... might not have Survivors near it... it might be the wrong one... also that Survivor that was being chased is either going to heal (if injured) or find a Gen and start working on it... meaning 2-3 Gens will be done by the time the Killer sees a Survivor... Also having a Gen done in their face
So it's a damned if you do damned if you don't kind of situation
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Opinion =\= experience. If a former survivor main like me can achieve a 4k without tunneling or slugging, anyone can. Period. Plenty of other streamers who publicize their videos achieve wins without those tactics, and it's not my job to comb the internet for every single instance for you.
Campers, tunnelers, and sluggers are bad and need to learn how to use their killer powers effectively. Point blank. Get good.
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Their is no such thing as tunneling. Just being smart and eliminating a survivor.
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Gen rushing requires actuall skills, face camping is just standing there doing nothing
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