If unbreakable becomes basekit, what do killers receive?

Now really, i will always say to wait until base unbreakable actually gets to live servers. For me, it is going to be nerfed, tweaked a lot before we are able to see it in play.

The devs said that base UB is still in its earliest stages

The unbreakable-esque change proposed for survivor basekit really shouldn't affect many, with the exception of those who want to slug.

So, should a killer armed with Knock Out and The Third Seal go on a slugging spree, this would combat such playstyles which can become very tedious.

But they're still down for a lengthy time, and I've ever so rarely encountered situations where survivors have been downed for that long as killer.

The change is to deal with an unfun part of the game. A solution to a problem. Just like killers got mini buffs in that one patch to deal with how fast gens were flying, by giving them tweaks such as longer gen times and shortened recovery from successful hits.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the UB basekit a bundle package with the Last Man Standing mori? In that case, Killers get a win condition if all survivors are down.

It sounds stupid, but if Last standing mechanic goes live, kill rate may go alot higher than you think.

2 survivors, Dwight is dying crawling close to Exit, Clau tries to heal tech, tank hit.

• Old: Clau can take 1 last hit and both crawling out.
• New: any moment Clau exit before Dwight result Dwight moried, or unlucky enough if Clau down backward, both die

Huntress aim a survivor running close to Exit at range, and hit them.

• Old: there is a chance that survivor will able to crawl out if Huntress if far enough.
• New: Moried

Trapper with Honing stone, 2 survivors left, Dwight running to gate, Clau in chase. Dwight steps on a trap at gate, Clau down not long later

• Old: Dwight could escape from trap, dying, crawl out and escape
• New: Moried

2 survivors left, Killer forcing the Clau out for the game, while the Dwight dying in trial.

• Old: there is a slight chance of God RNG will spawn hatch right next to Dwight, and escape
• New: Moried

2 survivors left, Dwight dying on the ground, Clau down near Dwight, killer pick up Clau.

• Old: there is possible play of Unbreakable to flash light save and both of them escape.
• New: Dwight has to pick himself up and escape, or die if Clau down.

2-3 survivors down and crawling to exit

• Old: killers have to pick up, drop, manage hook play to get 2-3 kills
• New: 3K

OP be crying to his mom why that kid over there has more toys than he does.

They get faster Queue times because nobody will want to play killer anymore.

But what problem is basekit unbreakable solving? Slugging..which is a legit strategy. What this basekit unbreakable will actually be doing is forcing killers to play a certain way or they get heavily punished for it.

Now yes it will stop 4 man slugs at 5 gens but if the whole team gets slugged like that the game is gonna be over regardless if you unbreakable or not.

However if i down someone and there are 1 or 2 other people around ongoing i'm going to be forced to pick up because otherwise they can pick themself up for free. This stops me making the sencible option of attacking multiple survivors at once. Not to mention if another survivor is around and someone is under a pallet its a lose lose for the killer. either pick up and pallet saved or they unbreakable and drop the pallet.

All this change would do is make it imposible to pick up a survivor as long as there is someone else around under a pallet. meaning all survivors will run in pairs to ensure no one ever gets hooked.

I agree with OP if base kit unbreakable becomes a thing there has to be a counter to it that killers get else your just unnessesarally buffing survivors and screwing over killers (even those who don't hardcore slug)

Unlimited unbreakable sounds like madness. Should be once per trial for all, not unlimited, imo.

If you are actually looking for the serious answer

-An additional 13 seconds of required recovery time/bleeding out.

-A nerf to flip flop, probably unintended (because you get less progress for the same amount of time).

-A nerf to no mither (but lets be real this isnt anything)

-The ability to end the game quicker with a 4 man down.

-More pressure at the end game with slugs and people leaving.

Not saying its equivalent but its what they get.

The new Mori system is what your getting. I like the idea of it, being able to just end the game when you have everyone incapacitated.

agree to disagree. If you refering to the massive perk change both survivors and killers got buffed and nerfed. It was kinda a fair update for both sides. If your not refering to this i would be interested to hear what you are refering to.

Receive the incentive to not slug

The unbreakable base kit thing, is just some patchwork for the new finishing mori... What do you want? Some game where you can slug everyone, got your mori reward and finish like that?

Killer got a lot of thing recently, but that's not enough? Not enough to have litteraly a new system for winning a game without any worries?

Think damn it

Basekit unbreakable is a major buff to survivors that want to purposely place themselves in situations where the killer is forced to slug. Killers should only be punished for slugging if they have an option to hook the survivor. The PTB showed survivors purposely running to hook deadzones, or using breakdown to create hook deadzones, or doing other things to force the killer to slug. Maybe it's time to add way more hooks to each map, so killers have a much higher chance of not needing to slug.

The PTB also showed killers going out of their way to try to slug everyone, in spite of basekit unbreakable, because if matchmaking fails and the killer is way better than the survivors, then the killer can just slug people over and over and over and over and over, until they finally get everyone slugged at the same time, or until the survivors actually just give up. And PTB killers were still trying to slug for the 4k, and basekit unbreakable made these games much longer because the survivors would just keep picking themselves up instead of bleeding out.

That corrected imbalances. Rather than creating them, and as you're arguing, warranting a buff as significant as basekit unbreakable.

Also, doesn't it make sense that killers have a 60% kill rate when many survivor teams tend to collapse when one or two people die? That 60% means that on average, occasionally three survivors instead of two are killed. This is across the board though, and not looking at the top 1% of players, which in a graph showed a long time ago we saw that escape rates exploded at that level.

Also, I don't think those kill rate increases are due to the basekit buffs. I think they're due to certain perks being disabled after the gens are powered - no more guaranteed escapes.

I think if survivors know their dying teammate in the trial die the moment they leave. They will stand at gate to the last moment.

♫ what hurts the most ♫

then if they don't want just slugging for mori then don't have finisher moris. don't see any love for that aspect anyway as it removes all other mori's from the game. I personally hope they never put the finisher mori system in place because i like the ability to mori at any point in the trial not just the last person. #Don'tkilldevourhope

The basekit unbreakable at 45 seconds is fine. The 22.5 and potential to stack reductions should not exist/be capped to a max of maybe -10 seconds to the timer.