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Why do SWFs generally lie or avoid talking about being in a SWF at end game?
Just had two games playing killer where two 3 man swfs flat out lied about being in a SWF.
Usually if you ask if someone is in a SWF for end game only the solo(s) will say something.
Is it something they are ashamed of to admit that they are using an unfair advantage over other players?
Why lie at all?
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I don't know why they would lie if you can see they're friends.
I don't know why solos get accused of being SWF with no way to prove it, either.
People are weird in the ways they maintain their egos.
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Why do you care?
If somebody messaged me saying, "Why are you playing with your friends?" You bet your ass I'll lie to them.
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Just move on to the next match to keep your sanity.
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Maybe they think it is toxicity but I'm interested to know if I played well as killer or was at a disadvantage against comms/swf?
I often wonder why BHVR do not put in the SWF teams at end game for the killer to know why everyone was so efficient on gens
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why would you lie at them though? if they are in the wrong? lieying implies there must be some shame to wanna avoid facts.
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Odd that you would lie about something that would make the killer feel better about why they lost
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There was a time when I was learning killer and I honestly did not know what happened once I started playing yellow rank survivors.
There seemed to be a huge gulf in what had worked before and then didn't, only later did I hear about SWFs and communications being used.
I understand BHVR like to hide information such as even player names now but for a player to be left confused how they could have lost so quickly would help people learn and improve when they play killer.
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Perhaps it is just this community and some people lying comes naturally?
I'm still shocked that they thought telling me they were solo and then finding they were not... different people in two games!
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DBD is much more enjoyable when you go with the flow of the match and accept the outcome as long as you did your best.
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I'm obviously not saying that this is the case but, how strange that someone lies about whether they play in SWF.
BHVR has enabled SWFs so what causes people to want to avoid / lie about being in one?
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lmao. not entitled at all XD
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I suppose it depends on their attitude.
If they're chill about it, then I don't mind.
The most recent example of this was me getting a message saying, "You ######### Survivor mains need every advantage possible, try playing Solo against me." Mfw I was solo.
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It can sometimes make them feel that they aren't as good as they claim to be.
Although, at the same time, what are you looking for from asking such a question? And if you believe them to be swf, but they deny it because they genuinely aren't, it's not going to change your opinion.
Basically, it's better to ignore those things and focus on what you feel you can learn from any losses. You are the only thing that you can ever be certain of, and therefore the only thing you can reliably change.
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I think they just want to make the killer feel bad by lying.
i get destroyed by soloQs sometimes, not gonna lie about that. But i can mostly backtrack where i did wrong (often when i wasted too much time for 1 chase and didnt let go because i got tooo focused on the one chasing." But when they play perfectly coordinated, i had it often they denied being in an SWf. So well, i guess its just for being rude.
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I used to think it was skill, you know like a football player reaching his level but because the level leap was so huge ...
It was like walking through a maze and one team then having a map in their hand.
I honestly can only think that people who play in SWFs must think they would be ashamed maybe ridiculed?
Even this post for example, nobody is admitting they are in a SWF and why they don't say anything.
@Pulsar has said he would lie but didn't give a reason nor if he played in a SWF
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A player knowing that they lost because of the advantages of a SWF or that they played against a really good bunch of random solo's can affect their progression in the game in learning how to play and adapt.
I hear lower ranked SWFs tend to be ultra altruistic which is why they lose matches.
Very odd in two games this happened.
Why BHVR don't make it easier for everyone by showing this endgame is beyond me
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They wouldn't believe me even if I told the truth.
Likewise, it depends on their attitude. If someone comes right at me accusing me of being in a SWF, they're usually salty and I'll lie and then ignore them. Let 'em cool off.
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It's been a long time since I was a new player trying to learn. It's completely possible that I'm too far removed from that to understand that.
To my eyes, it doesn't matter. SWF or not, I always think every game is winnable for me. Plus, a lot of times to me, it's painfully obvious if people are playing together. I don't need to message them to find out.
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But surely learning is gained not so much from that information, moreso from what happened during that trial. Learning how survivors were playing. Learning were they gained distinct advantages. Learning where they made errors. That's where they would learn the craft, not finding out how many were swf or not.
It's the playstyle to watch out for. And swf can have a variety of squads from beginners, just having fun, memers, bullies, elites - that information cannot be gained from knowing whether they were a team or not at the end; it's collected from in-game.
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They're not you're just looking for an excuse for why you lost lmao
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Probably because it's just weird?
My assumption is you've checked our profiles, seen that we're friends, accepted the match anyway, and are now complaining in end game chat about it... That's crazy weird lmao.
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Maybe...they aren't, and you are just jumping to conclusions, unless you did your research, then it's valid
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How'd you know they were both swf groups?
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I don’t believe it really matters whether your opponents are SWF or solo, at least not for the sake of improving as killer. You should be adaptable, as a killer main, and adjust to however the survivors are playing. If you were to message me after a match asking whether I was in a SWF or solo, I’d ignore and block you. It’s a peculiar question to ask, especially since you evidently checked their profiles.
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So not to tell the truth of being in a swf because of how you believe they will react?
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I mean. This is true to an extent. But its also a matter of fact swf has communication, which allowes them to know full time where you are.
this means you have some huge advantage that a killer has taken away from you, so if you dont see any wrong plays and get boggled how you somehow NEVER found anybody aside from maybe once or twice all match, that is because they were exactly telling "get off the gen, he is coming towards you." which is a rare case. But also nothing where the killer did mess up since there is no counterplay to that. (aside maybe from being wraith and go invisible.)
So that information could at least validate there was no mistakes made on your own side. Which is also a part of learning, knowing which and when mistakes are made.
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I don’t believe that OP’s motivation was self-improvement, because they did not ask any of the survivors what they did wrong or where they messed up; they asked the survivors if they were SWF—presumably after checking their profiles. But if OP really did care about where they messed up, they could have recorded their game and either brought that here or analyzed it on their own. Instead, they’re in the forums complaining about suspicious things. As someone else here mentioned, not all SWF groups play the same (or even optimally), so “SWF” isn’t the reason why OP lost.
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i just explained how SWF sometimes has no counter to it, so there is no way of improvement when there is no counter. Its viable wanting to know if that is the case.
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Best advice possible here. There's so little in this world worth one's mental health, least of all a video game.
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SWF isn’t a strategy; it therefore can’t have “counterplay.” SWF could be +1, +2, or +3 survivors playing together. They may or may not be on comms. They may or may not have synchronized builds. They may be chill or proficient. All of these and many more variables are at play in SWF, and most of them exist for solo queue as well. If you’re consistently losing to SWF teams specifically then you may need to improve your own skills as a killer in general.
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Yes
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obviously we are not in the situation OP mentioned if it wasnt a comms swf who juked the game like it was some navy seals team. cmon. You always try to get off topic aswell, also i said SOMETIMES.
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I’m disconnecting from you. Take care.
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So, lies seem to come easy to you. Will keep that in mind, since it might be important to the viability of your claims and arguments in furture discussions.
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I don't lie though, but even that doesn't seem to be good enough.
I am entirely serious when I say I haven't played anything but solo, duo and killer since like... early-mid 2020. I am completely open about that if asked and so is my duo partner, and that doesn't stop absolute weirdo people from just straight up accusing me of lying anyway, INSISTING that we're actually secretly a 4man specifically.
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ridiculous
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It's probably because 90 percent of the players that ask that question start talking trash, make every excuse, start calling names etc.... I'm not saying they should lie to you but theyre probably just ready to move on to the next match and be done with it and not have to hear any nonsense for playing the game because at the end of the day it really doesn't matter because if you lost the match then you lost it's just that simple and vice versa when you win handily it doesn't really matter at the end of the day if they were a swf or not
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I think that some killer players need an excuse to justify their loss. It’s unfathomable that a solo Q beat them. Survivors can be good, and work well together, and not be a SWF.
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Never experienced this to my knowledge. Though I don't see why people would hide it in the first place, either than to hide the advantage to spite the killer.
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Going to close this discussion here; between some comments made here as well the thread topic itself of accusations toward part of the playerbase.
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